Now that's just plain spooky, I ordered a 6 x 12 ram, 16 gpm pump and a valve from Surplus Center yesterday. I visited a machinery dealer yesterday and he had a 20 ton C-frame press. The frame was cut from 2" steel and must have weighed about 8 ton. If you go down the C-frame path you'll be doing some serious fabrication. I'll be building a H-frame, a lot easier and a lot stronger.