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  1. On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 1:47 PM, RobertMunford said:

    I finally cam up with a logo and I guess you can say a name for my little forge.  LOL  I am posting this to see if anyone else has already used the logo and or name.

    I am known around town here as the old goat so I kind of thought it might be appropriate.

    Thoughts please



    called the city of Washington IA and the chamber has no record of any business of the name there.  So going to take a chance and use as is.  Worst that can happen is I get a phone call saying hey stupid I already own he name.  I will say sorry and change my name then.


    aka Bob

  2. Please do not let this go away I can't wait to try this out.  I have given up on many tongs because I get something backwards and then fling them into the deep hole at the back of property.  LOL

    Thanks for taking the time to document the making.


    aka Bob

  3. 9 minutes ago, Ron Benson said:

    How about Old Goat BladeSmith?

    I need short words because I plan on having this laser etched on my products.  I might just go with old goat blades or old goat smith.  You got me thinking Ron  thanks


    aka Bob

  4. Thanks Alan

    I didn't find any mention of it using my browser.  Went to Google and emailed the city manager to see if there is actually a business there with that name.

    Thanks again Alan


    aka Bob

  5. I finally cam up with a logo and I guess you can say a name for my little forge.  LOL  I am posting this to see if anyone else has already used the logo and or name.

    I am known around town here as the old goat so I kind of thought it might be appropriate.

    Thoughts please


  6. 10 hours ago, Steve O said:

    Personally, since you went for curves, give it curves like you meant it. I’m with Gary I  liking more continuity of form between blade and handle design, but if you are going to break it up, then go for broke.

    I mean that in a good way and constructively. The scales are still very slab like- that’s fine with coffin handles and other handles that have straight lines. You have a center swell, etc going on. SO, give it more three dimensional shaping. The handle currently has just a minor radius to the edges: shape it more. If you were to look down on the top of the handle, spine view, I bet the scales are a consistent thickness, or very close to it, their whole length. Make it flow and look more organic, like a human body. Make it pull in like a waist, flair out like hips, etc. Not only will that give a more finished look, it will potentially lock it into your hand more securely. It most definitely will reduce hot spots when working with it.

    The good thing is your customer liked what you made them, and you gave them what was requested. But before you make the rest try giving more shape to the next ones, or at least grab a hunk of wood (could be pine even) and work on sculpting it more.

    Best, Steve 



    I never thought about doing what you suggested Steve.  I think that maybe just maybe I can make the next knife both robust and manly as well as sexy.  I made a wooden mockup of the blade will try different handles on it and see where I go from there.   I certainly do like the idea of making the handle sexy looking though because as you said it just might make it easier to fit in the hand.

    Thanks for the suggestions


    AKA Bob

  7. 16 hours ago, MikeDT said:

    Interesting as in different - not bad.  I see it as a cross pattern, two vertical and two horizontal (pin and lanyard hole).  from the angle of the photo it is hard to tell if they line up perpendicularly to each other and with the blade profile (if that make sense).  I am far from an expert, but to me pins are either aligned down the center of the handle or they run along the edges.  You did a little of both, thus interesting/different/unique, not a criticism.    

    Mike I didn't take it as criticism.  I read everything that is said and take it in and some suggestions I use and others I keep for future reference.  :)  I like your idea of pin alignment, both horizontally and vertically and will keep that in mind when I make the next knife.  

    Thanks for the suggestions


    AKA Bob

  8. 9 hours ago, Jerrod Miller said:


    It looks to me like Aiden's suggestion of straightening in temper could very well do the trick for you (simple bow).  If possible, I would heat up the ulu, then put it in your counter-bend jig, then put the whole thing in the oven to soak at temp for a while.  Least likely to break that way.  

    Thanks Jerrod looks like I have a little break in the rain for the next couple of days so will try to straighten the little buggers.

  9. 2 hours ago, Raymond Richard said:

    Robert, The handle does not go with this style blade. A straight blade should have straight handle. The knife needs to flow together. 


    That is what I thought right up until the customer specifically showed me how he wanted the handle shaped.  Hard to argue with a customer, being as they are always right.  LOL

    You are correct it should flow and I was skeptical at first, then once I had it cut out and could hold it, it did feel good in the hand.  I have had several other people hold it swing it and everyone liked the feel.  I have three more to make for sure.  One is a gift and then two more that will be purchased.  One of those purchased is by a gentleman who does a lot of camping and hunting with his brother and he had it in his hand only for about 5 min and said make me one.  The other is for the lady who is going to be doing my laser etching.  


    aka Bob


  10. 23 hours ago, MikeDT said:

    That is one big camp chopper!  You used an interesting pattern of pin placement.

    :)  Is that interesting as in looks good and will not hurt the knife or is there some issue with the placement.  If I made a mistake please tell me because I now have 3 more to make with a 4th possible.  Need to know about my mistakes so I do not make them again.

    I had them all inline when I marked them.  Went inside for a cup of coffee and when I returned to the shop thought it looked like crap.  Put it up and worked on the grinding jig I was building and the next day experimented with different pin placement.  That seemed like I would hold the wide part of the handle a little better and to my novice eye it was pleasing.  Showed the person that I was making the knife for and he liked it, so there it is.  

  11. I finally got the knife completed.  It was quite a journey, and required a lot of listening to some very great advise from the folks on here.  The new owner wanted me to get it marked and I finally found someone to laser etch it for me.  If you want to see the story about the journey I placed a short story in "The Way" called The story of a camp knife.  Room for lots of improvement some I can see from looking at other peoples work, and I am sure that there are some I haven't even thought about.  So any comments are greatly appreciated.  There are quite a few more pics in the story in the way.

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  12. Thank you Geoff and Aiden for the advice.  Soaking it up and when the rain stops or at least lightens up some will try to make them straight.  I put them on paper towels so they wouldn't cool completely before getting them into the oven.  The paper towels may have been damp from humidity and then stacking them on top of each other didn't help either.  So will hang them individually.  I will have to figure out how to do it quickly because the lady that will be going my laser etching wants 6 to 10 of them to put in her display case. 

    Thanks again Aiden and Geoff for taking the time to answer my questions.  I value the advice that I get on here, this is the only forum that I have visited that people were friendly and willing to answer questions.   No one has wrinkled their nose or called anyone stupid or dumb, and that means a whole lot to me and I am sure many others as well.  

    So THANK YOU one and all.


    AKA Bob

  13. On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 1:21 PM, Aiden CC said:

    When you are working with thin steel, you’re going to have to deal with some amount of warping. I can only think of a couple of times I had a long (>6”), thin knife come out of the oil exactly how it went in. I found that using a larger container for my oil helped immensely (an old ammo can as opposed to a capped pipe), as it allowed for more even cooling. Another thing to note with thin knives is that they will move under their own weight for a brief period while the martensite is forming and they are still ductile (you can also gently straighten them in this phase). If you leave them to cool in a way that allows them to sag, warps can appear from out of nowhere. My philosophy with warping has been to learn how to both prevent and fix it, since sometimes it is almost unavoidable. 

    Do you have any pictures of the warps? That might also help diagnose the problem. Hope this helps!

    ok here are some pics.  the problem I have is I do not really have a spine on these ulu's.  the pic with the circle on it is where the high spot on both blades is.  I laid them on some paper towels I don't know if that was enough to hurt them.  they are traditional grinds only on one side, which allows for them to be used for just about anything that you want to use them for.  One lady that I gave one to used it to skin her deer, cut it up, and then to cook with.  you DO NOT want to get on her bad side.  LOL  I am using a gallon can for my oil and had it some where around 130-140.

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  14. 8 minutes ago, Jerrod Miller said:

    How did you quench them?  Straight down into the oil and hold?  Swish the blade in the oil?  Are the blades bi-metallic?  Is your grind consistent?  

    This should be just fine, but they may still warp if you don't solve that issue.  

    I went straight down and held still.  The bi-metallic I can not tell as I do not know.  If you consistent grind by is the bevel the same all the way around the edge, yes it is.

  15. On ‎3‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 1:07 PM, Charles du Preez said:

    Congrats. 3 is the charm it seems.

    Yes three is a charm.  :) Now all I have to do is make them look better and keep the quality of the blade where it is at.

  16. On ‎3‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 3:23 PM, AndrewB said:

    That's an interesting handle design how comfortable is it to h old in the hand?

    I had made a wooden mock up of the knife and let the person take feel before I ever began the real blade.  He liked the feel and I was on the fence.  When finished the heavy blade weight made the handle real comfortable.  I chopped on some oak firewood and it was real comfortable to swing and cut well across the grain, and split it well with the grain.  I liked it and several people that I have showed it off to liked as well.  I now have three more to make so it was a hit.  Two of them I will get paid for and the third is going to be a gift to someone that drooled over the one I had finished, he happens to be the partner of my youngest daughter so will make him one. 

  17. I will begin by explaining what happened in the past and then what happened with these 4 blades.  I have made 5 blades from saw blades in the past and had no problem keeping them straight during the heat treat.  This time I made 4 blades again from saw blades and had everyone of them warp.  

    So the first part of my question is what made these blades warp.  I normalized them x3, and had my oil at about 140 degrees F.   I know there are probably a multitude of different things that I did wrong, so I plan on sorting through all the advise and find the two or three things I didn't do.  

    Second part of the question is would it be possible to normalize and straighten then reheat treating or would it be a waste of time.

    As always any and all comments are welcome.

    Thanks to everyone on here that is willing to share their knowledge.



    aka Bob

  18. I am very new at the art of making things from steel, and have made a grand total of 7 knives like objects, lol and half a dozen ulu’s.  So after showing off one of my ulu shaped skinning knives that I had made, I was asked if I could make a camp knife.


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    And there begins the tale. 

    My first design received a definite no!!


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    The second design after some tweaking on his part for the fit to his hand and blade shape was finally settled on.

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    Then the horror begins.  LOL I don’t have pictures of the fist blade as it is somewhere deep in a hole in the back of my property.  It was a nasty day when I did the heat treating and had laid the blade on my ASO tip on the elevated side and the handle on the base.  OH BOY what a mistake.  As I was picking up my tools to put in shop I accidently dropped a 3 pound hammer on the blade and it snapped into 3 separate pieces.  I quickly learned 4 different foreign languages.  And promptly threw the pieces as far as I could into the washed out hole out back. 

    My ASO



    Then foreign language lesson number two.  LOL Got ready to drill holes in handle for pins and found it was still too hard to drill.  So fired up forge and put the blade into the fire.  Got side traced by something don’t remember what, for all the young folk this happens when you get old,  71 years young here.  Anyway when I remembered that I had steel in the fire I rushed over and grabbing some tongs pulled the blade minus a burned off handle from the fire, and so began the second lesson on languages.


    I did not throw it away as I am going to make a smaller knife from what is left.


    I then began on the third blade and with many questions, much looking and research, as well as some much needed advice from forum members I now have finally been able to make a blade that is ready to finish.

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    After much elbow grease and much advice from the folks on this forum I am ready to attempt a heat treat.



    Heat treat went well no pings or warps, and carefully this time into the oven for tempering.






    I finally got it sharp and after agonizing for 3 days I went out grabbed a piece of oak firewood and hacked and chopped on it.  Whew still paper cut sharp when I went back in.

    The handle didn’t give me much of a problem, used some nice popular with black streaks running through it.  Finished the handle with 8 coats of semi-gloss tung oil.  Then tweaked the edge a little and started on the sheath.  Made a taco style sheath and laced it up with a saddle stitch.  For a second attempt at making a sheath it turned out alright.  Seen where I could do better though.  For a first attempt at a large heavy knife I was pleased with the outcome, the new owner is pleased with the outcome, and everyone is happy.  As I was showing off the finished knife to some friends I now have an order for at least one more.


    The finished product lots of room for improvement but my customer was satisfied.



  19. 10 hours ago, steven smith said:

    Id love to be out there forging in the rain, but I also just got over a flu that really kicked my butt, I dont think I shiver anymore though and thats nice because I think I cracked my sternum from shivering too much last year. I couldnt sit on a couch without pain in my chest, I would shiver extremely easily though, doesnt help that im tall and skinny. But I enjoy the rain and water so much, I just cant stand it when its cold. 

    I live on a hill but the water table here has been about a foot away from the surface with heavy rain, I had a deep hole in the backyard and it was full, you could see the clear water coming through the limestone. I stand in a hole in my forge so I dont need stands for everything so next time the water table is way up like that ill be forging a special keris knee deep in water.

    I hope none of your stuff gets messed up. My yard floods pretty easy in some places but my forge is in a good spot.

    Nothing is hurt was out this morning and looked.  I had a cough with mine and hurt for awhile.  My doc caught mine early enough that it didn't get to bad.  Feeling good enough to go out and putter today.  At my age all I do is putter anymore.  LOL

  20. 8 hours ago, Stephen Asay said:

    Awesome, I am going to end up in a similar set up temporarily, forging in a lean to next to the tool shed. Maybe just throw some sand/ gravel where your forge is to get it up a couple of inches? Thats what I did when our tool shed entrance turned into a mudhole.

    I have 4 inches of crushed lime stone in smithy area so that stays reasonably nice in normal rains but this was a frog strangler of the bull frog size.  LOL  Water is all gone this morning so just the mud getting there.  Shop floor in building stays dry, I had 10 inches of blocks that it was set on just for the reason in the picture.  Delivery man wasn't to happy with me but set it up and made it nice and level.  Many years ago about in 81 I think it was.  I was in Bremerton on a ship going through the yards.  This was back when "wasted days and wasted nights" was a popular song.  The skipper played it on all the speakers of the ship when we pulled out, boy did he get a nasty gram from the admiral up there.  LOL Have a great day

  21. 8 hours ago, Gerhard Gerber said:

    If only you could send us some, over here animals are dying in the veld....one sub-normal rainfall year following a killer drought. and this year the killer is back.

    Sorry to hear about your drought.  I see blue and Etosha above you.  Is that supposed to be a large lake.  I went to aerial view  on my map and it looks like it is almost dry.  And then I look to the west of you and see a desert so you must be very dry in the best of years.  With so dry you probably don't get to fish much.  so happy hiking and hammer hard in the forge.


  22. I didn't do anything today.  four inches of water where forge is at.  needed chest waders to get there.  lol   dry shop stayed dry thank goodness.  stayed in had chicken soup and continued getting better from type a flu.

    it is now 8:30 pm and still raining and my toes are starting to grow webs.  and I keep wanting to say quack quack.  Lol


  23. 2 hours ago, Alan Longmire said:

    Looks good, Bob!  I don't use a jig myself, but they are handy for some.  

    At least you didn't wrinkle your nose at it.  LOL  I have tried free hand and as you can see from the blade in the pic my lines leave something to be desired, especially on long blades.  I will continue to try honing my skills on shorter and thinner blades.  In the mean time this is the best of all the jigs that can be made without a mill and lathe that I have found.

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