John Smith Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Well I know where to get it and it is in the 1 gal containers and is $37.50 per gallon and that is for a low viscosity Mineral oil. So if any one knows of a supplier that is cheap enough send them my way. And yes I have looked into Parks and sme of the other fast quenchants. The cost is still high. Any help? John W Smithwww.smith-forge.orgFire and wind come from the sky, from the gods of the sky. But Crom is your god, Crom and he lives in the earth. Once, giants lived in the Earth, Conan. And in the darkness of chaos, they fooled Crom, and they took from him the enigma of steel. Crom was angered. And the Earth shook. Fire and wind struck down these giants, and they threw their bodies into the waters, but in their rage, the gods forgot the secret of steel and left it on the battlefield. We who found it are just men. Not gods. Not giants. Just men. The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.[Points to sword]This you can trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Good grief! Did they offer to let you lube up the stick with it before they quoted that price? Get thee to a farm supply or someplace that caters to horse owners. One gallon of vet-grade straight mineral oil should run about $12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share Posted November 12, 2008 Alan been there they are on back order and do not know when they will get it in. I have my name on a list to be notified of any shippments that come in. Thanks John W Smithwww.smith-forge.orgFire and wind come from the sky, from the gods of the sky. But Crom is your god, Crom and he lives in the earth. Once, giants lived in the Earth, Conan. And in the darkness of chaos, they fooled Crom, and they took from him the enigma of steel. Crom was angered. And the Earth shook. Fire and wind struck down these giants, and they threw their bodies into the waters, but in their rage, the gods forgot the secret of steel and left it on the battlefield. We who found it are just men. Not gods. Not giants. Just men. The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.[Points to sword]This you can trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bower Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) Have you considered peanut or canola oil? Peanut oil runs about $11/gallon (I'm not sure about canola), and they're both much more highly regarded by the resident quenchant guru around here. They're also easy to find. You can buy 3 gallon containers of peanut oil at the hardware store, back where they keep the turkey fryers. By the way, three gallons of P50 cost me a lot less than 3x$37.50! Edited November 13, 2008 by Matt Bower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Turner Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I get mine from the local large animal veterinarian cost me like $8-$9 a gallon last I bought some a couple years ago. Mike Turner http://www.turnerknives.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Krall Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 If you are looking for fast-type oil, canola oil is what Scott McKenzie recommends as having a cooling profile most similar to fast commercial quench oils. I got 5 gallons of Houghto-quench "K" delivered from Penn. to western Wyo for $110. If you take care of it, it will last a lot longer than canola, peanut, or mineral oil... which break down more quickly (change cooling characteristis) than commercial quench oil. Houghto-quench "K" is as fast or a little faster than Park #50. It is more stable than Park #50. Houghto-quench "G" (AKA 'Brownell's Tough Quench) is very much like Park AAA but more stable in long term use... Houghton Heat Treating Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Mike where in Penn did you get the quenching oil? As I live in PA. And I know of a few oil company type places in the area. John W Smithwww.smith-forge.orgFire and wind come from the sky, from the gods of the sky. But Crom is your god, Crom and he lives in the earth. Once, giants lived in the Earth, Conan. And in the darkness of chaos, they fooled Crom, and they took from him the enigma of steel. Crom was angered. And the Earth shook. Fire and wind struck down these giants, and they threw their bodies into the waters, but in their rage, the gods forgot the secret of steel and left it on the battlefield. We who found it are just men. Not gods. Not giants. Just men. The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.[Points to sword]This you can trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Krall Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 (edited) Mike where in Penn did you get the quenching oil? As I live in PA. And I know of a few oil company type places in the area. John, If you click the link in my post above, then "Locations" at the top of the page, then "North America" and scroll down, there are tele. #'s and addresses. I contacted Houghton about what I wanted, was then contacted by a sales rep., placed the order, then needed to contact to set up account/payment at a different number. Sounds like a run-around process but it was actually very easy to do... on the money call, I just told them I wanted to pay with a debit card. Houghton sells in small quantity only out of one distribution point and that is somewhere in Penn... I'm not remembering where but I think it was Valley Forge. Mike Edited December 1, 2008 by Mike Krall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Mike thanks a bunch on this. John W Smithwww.smith-forge.orgFire and wind come from the sky, from the gods of the sky. But Crom is your god, Crom and he lives in the earth. Once, giants lived in the Earth, Conan. And in the darkness of chaos, they fooled Crom, and they took from him the enigma of steel. Crom was angered. And the Earth shook. Fire and wind struck down these giants, and they threw their bodies into the waters, but in their rage, the gods forgot the secret of steel and left it on the battlefield. We who found it are just men. Not gods. Not giants. Just men. The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.[Points to sword]This you can trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Krall Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 You're welcome, John... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Meyer Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) You can get 5 gallons of real quenching oil at McMaster Carr's (11 second oil) for $66.56. Search under "quenching oil". Edited December 3, 2008 by Chris Meyer Christopher Meyer, Shenipsit Forge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Krall Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 You can get 5 gallons of real quenching oil at McMaster Carr's (11 second oil) for $66.56. Search under "quenching oil". Chris, Do you use this oil and have you gotten any other info on it from McMaster-Carr or the supplier of it (from the MSDS sheet) http://www.motoroilinc.com/? I'm asking because years ago when I looked at these oils I couldn't get info from either McMaster-Carr or Motor Oil, Inc. and I'd love to have the data. It would be lovely if Scott McKenzie saw this thread and were to have some information on these oils. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb0fhp Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Chris, Do you use this oil and have you gotten any other info on it from McMaster-Carr or the supplier of it (from the MSDS sheet) http://www.motoroilinc.com/? I'm asking because years ago when I looked at these oils I couldn't get info from either McMaster-Carr or Motor Oil, Inc. and I'd love to have the data. It would be lovely if Scott McKenzie saw this thread and were to have some information on these oils. Mike I have no idea. I have not run into them on an industrial basis. However, if you need a small quantity of quality quench oil - I would suggest Brownells.... http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/pro...&st=&s= I know this oil - it is a high quality premium quench oil. D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD Heat Treating (Aluminum and Steel) Quenching (Water, Polymer, Oil, Salt and Mar-Tempering) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb0fhp Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 John, If you click the link in my post above, then "Locations" at the top of the page, then "North America" and scroll down, there are tele. #'s and addresses. I contacted Houghton about what I wanted, was then contacted by a sales rep., placed the order, then needed to contact to set up account/payment at a different number. Sounds like a run-around process but it was actually very easy to do... on the money call, I just told them I wanted to pay with a debit card. Houghton sells in small quantity only out of one distribution point and that is somewhere in Penn... I'm not remembering where but I think it was Valley Forge. Mike It was probably out of Allentown, PA. The Corporate offices are in Valley Forge (where my office is). The main number is 610-666-4000. Ask for customer service. Unfortunately, there is a large up-charge on pails. if you PM me with your location, I can probably find a distributor near you. Alternatively, you can try Brownnells (it is already pailed off). Or you can try contacting a local heat treater. They probably have a gallon of oil that you can buy from them....if you bring your own pail.... D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD Heat Treating (Aluminum and Steel) Quenching (Water, Polymer, Oil, Salt and Mar-Tempering) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Hello, Can I use old peanut or canola oil that has already been used to fry turkeys with? Thanks, doug Jn. 3:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Krall Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hello,Can I use old peanut or canola oil that has already been used to fry turkeys with? Thanks, doug Jn. 3:16 Sure, you can... If I had to use oils like that, I would use new canola oil. Me, I quit using quench oil substitutes when I got partially hardened blades and blotchy damascus etch (not decarb). The oil had been used a lot, flashed fairly often, and was full of dirt and scale. I got some Houghto-quench "K" & "G" from Houghton International. If I take care of it, I'll probably have to leave it to someone in my will (I'm not a high volume quencher). Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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