jake cleland Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 title pretty much says it all. C70 and stag. hopefully get them hardened tonight. all of these are 3" from tip to choil, which is the maximum for legal carry here, but i'm not sure if the long tangs will be seen as breaking the spirit, if not the letter, of the law, as essentially they work as a lock. let me know what you think. i'll post more pics when they're done. Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I love'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen bush Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I like em . they look like wading birds . Kerlew . forging soul in to steel owenbush.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Salvati Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Jake I love them, very cool silhouette. Let not the swords of good and free men be reforged into plowshares, but may they rest in a place of honor; ready, well oiled and God willing unused. For if the price of peace becomes licking the boots of tyrants, then "To Arms!" I say, and may the fortunes of war smile upon patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrassett Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Looks awesome Jake, hope they finish up well for you J Anderson R " Fools live to regret there words, wise men to regret there silence"- Will Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake cleland Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 thanks guys - Owen, i agree about the curlew thing - i notice that a lot of the wee knives i make have a zoomorphic feel... anyway,i fileworked the spines and tangs tonight (though the design on the tang on the one on the left ended up a little... random i suppose would be a nice way to put it), and just got them hardened. this steel is weird - it hardens quite a bit hotter than non magnetic, and it generally takes me a couple of tries to get the hamon where i want it. they're in the oven now, and i should have some hamon pics by tomorrow night. Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Erwin Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Nice knives! Shouldn't be much problem with the law, as they're friction. From what I've gathered on the British forum as long as there is not a mechanical lock and it's 3" and under you're alright. Hope no one gives you any trouble though =] Beau Erwin www.ErwinKnives.com Custom knives Bcarta Composites Stabilized Woods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Sisters Forge Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Way cool Jake. Show us some up close PICs of the workings. Now I know what to do with all those left over spikes !! The knife laws are bozo. I used to live in NY, and got a great pocket knife story. This the place for it? Jim Allen Three Sisters Forge Bend, Oregon http://www.threesistersforge.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlai Stein Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 They look great Jake. The remind me of birds when open and chili pepers when closed. "More than meets the eye." Adlai Klatu Baratta Necktie! Macabee Knives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMARTINKNIVES Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Really cool-----! Peter Martin Knives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake cleland Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 Way cool Jake. Show us some up close PICs of the workings. Now I know what to do with all those left over spikes !! Jim, there's not much to show of the workings - a hole and a nail. obviously the heel and the tang are specific shapes, but that is dictated by the antler. the main trick is in the design. you have to start with the antler, which has to be pretty straight in one plane; i find that plane, and draw a line all the way along the centre, and extend it up through the cut face of the tine. then i make two cuts with a fine wood saw to make a slot for the blade, which comes out through the top of the antler about an inch at the pivot end, and a little at the tip determined by the curve - these cuts have to be deep enough that they make a slot at the deepest point of the curve. i then use a machine hacksaw blade to even out the cut. i used to have a problem getting the pivot hole parrallel to the slot, but now i've figured out the trick - i put a couple of scraps of the blade steel (these are stock removal so the ricassos are completely parallel and i can control the shape very precisely) into the slot at each end, so it extends past the top and bottom of the slot, and then place the antler in a tool vise with the steel guides resting on top of the jaws, and tighten it up - this makes sure that the hole is exactly perpendicular to the slot. now comes the blade design - i put the straight edge of a bit of card in the slot, and mark the curve of the antler; the edge can be any line you can draw between that curve and the card edge. i draw the edge shape and cut it out. then i put the edge shape back in the slot, and push a sharp nail through the pivot hole and card design. now i've defined the edge and the pivot. then its a matter of finding the heel shape, which is basically a circle the radius of which is the distance from the pivot hole to the top of the slot. now you have a template for these three things - edge, pivot and heel, and they remain constant for that particular piece of antler - the position of the tang and the back of the blade are aesthetic choices, so on other pieces of card you can play about with them until you get a blade shape and attitude you like. the reproduce your final card design exactly in steel. i've just read over this and realise its not completely clear, so ill try and mock up some pics in a bit. Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake cleland Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 i'll try and illustrate the steps, mby showing how i'd come up with a different blade design to fit this handle. slotting the stag with a wood saw - note fibre vice jaws. refining the slot with a machine hacksaw blade clamped in the vise drilling the slot - note steel guides. design - drawing the outline of the slot shape stag and solt shape outlined - the edge can go anywhere inside the outline of the stag. i've cut off the corner so that it clears the slot, and have drawn tho rough shape of the blade - note the tip has to be within the outline of the stag. now the overall shape is finalised. and cut out so i can design the tang shape finished design - ive marked the outline of the slot so i can further refine the shape so long as the whole edge is below that line, any blade shape will work. Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Potter Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) Great tutorial, I never thought of doing the handle first. Thanks Edited December 9, 2008 by Ben Potter Ben Potter Bladesmith It's not that I would trade my lot Or any other man's, Nor that I will be ashamed Of my work torn hands- For I have chosen the path I tread Knowing it would be steep, And I will take the joys thereof And the consequences reap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Exellent tutorial, nice little folders Thank's!! Antoine http://antoinemarcal.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake cleland Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 glad you like it. Ben, i've found that when you're working with stag in particular, or anything you cant change the shape of, it's far easier to fit the design to the material, especially with folders where each elemant has a direct impact on all the others - you can always change a blade shape, or move a hole, but the stag you got is the stag you got... Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Sisters Forge Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 glad you like it. Ben, i've found that when you're working with stag in particular, or anything you cant change the shape of, it's far easier to fit the design to the material, especially with folders where each elemant has a direct impact on all the others - you can always change a blade shape, or move a hole, but the stag you got is the stag you got... Jake, Great tutorial. I also never thought about reverse order. I have been running around the woods trying to match a blade to an antler. The elk were not happy. Thanks Jim Allen Three Sisters Forge Bend, Oregon http://www.threesistersforge.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDF Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Great tutorial Jake, and very nice folder. Thanks CIAO FROM ITALY Marco Di Francesco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPeacock Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Wow, those look quite nice. I've got a few bits of antler laying around that are too small for use as handles and I was going to try to use them as slabs for a small knife. I believe I'll try something like this though. For a first folder, it seems pretty do-able. They all look easy until you try though :-/ Have you ever thought about the life of steel? It's interesting to think that you can control the fate of a piece of metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen bush Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Jake is the steel CS70 ? I have never heard of c70 . forging soul in to steel owenbush.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake cleland Posted December 10, 2008 Author Share Posted December 10, 2008 Jake is the steel CS70 ? I have never heard of c70 . Owen, i'm honestly not sure what the actual designation of the steel is - i got it from dick tools in 2.5mm sheet. it's 0.7 carbon, and from how it behaves i would say not a lot else - very shallow hardening and tempers at really low temps. it's from sweden and is sold to make cores for laminated blades. it' takes a nice hamon even in oil, but is a bugger to etch. i got it just for sgian dubhs and wee folders. would make nice thin kitchen knives as well. i really like it - gonna have to get me some more. Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake cleland Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) first one pretty much finished: the hamon is much cooler in person. Edited December 11, 2008 by jake cleland Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake cleland Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 second one finished (pretty much - still need to peen down the rivet) Jake Cleland - Skye Knives www.knifemaker.co.uk "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 you know ... ive never actually tried to make a friction folder. but you make them look really tempting with these examples kewlies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Potter Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Those are some beautiful knives, good work. Ben Potter Bladesmith It's not that I would trade my lot Or any other man's, Nor that I will be ashamed Of my work torn hands- For I have chosen the path I tread Knowing it would be steep, And I will take the joys thereof And the consequences reap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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