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a friend with his first pig...and the knife I made him

 

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a fine young man's first w/ a recurve...a monster blackie

 

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and the buffalo horn skinner I made him to use on his trip

 

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a friend's greatest trophy..... jaguar from the Matto Grosso...taken at 4 yards with recurve

 

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a good friend's fine kudu bull

 

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another friend's biggest porker

 

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another friend's first pig

 

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a nice one I took

 

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my best elk

 

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a texas porker

 

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Nice animals Ray. Bet that sow smelled nice with an arror in her guts. ;)

 

I've never hunted them with a bow. Do you intentionally shoot behind the shoulder plate?

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Jeremy,

 

He walked up on her on a very cold morning, layed up in a cane 'nest'. A shot far back, while she was laying down, angling forward toward the opposite shoulder put her down quick. It was the only available shot that would get the job done.

 

Bowhunting pigs, you take every good shot op you get...they don't typically last and are infrequent on sows especially, as they travel in groups and so lots of eyes protect the mob well!

 

Broadside, the right shot is the one on the big black hog where the fella is wearing the "salad" hat. See the shot, low and right above the elbow on the front leg? That's perfect lung/top of heart on both sows and boars when they are broadside.

 

With a bow of course, you aim where you want the arrow to exit, not where you want the entrance hole.

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I don't dislike hunting Ray but although the Jaguar is not faring badly in the Amazon basin it is still a protected species, not trophy material.

 

Do you ever eat your animals? if you don't mind me asking that is.

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I eat everything I kill, just as you eat everything you kill- by proxy(grocery shopping). Even vegetarians kill lots of animals through the farming required to grow their greens. I've eaten everything from mountain lion to armadillo, elk to moose, caribou to beaver.

 

What is your concern regarding the jaguar? It was taken legally. Is it your belief it should not be hunted? It's protected where it's not doing well, it's hunted where it is...pretty simple really. Elephants are doing poorly everywhere they are not hunted because they raid the crops of subsistence farmers and so are a liability that must be destroyed. Stopping hunting where animals are thriving because they are not doing well somewhere else defies logic. My friend ate the jaguar, by the way.

 

Unfortunately, there are a great many people whose only connection to wildlife is their relationship with pets- they believe if we only stopped hunting animals they would all do so much better...when in reality the biggest threat to animals is development. Land clearing in the last 200 years has destroyed more wildlife than all the hunting man has done in his entire existence.

 

I am a life member of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation- as State Vice Chairman for several years we helped raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to reintroduce elk to the states of Michigan, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania, and to purchase critical transition areas used by elk to migrate from high summer grazing areas to their winter habitat because its the kind of place people buy up to build houses or create skiing areas- often used by vegetarians from California and New York.

 

I feel I've given back enough in my lifetime through excise taxes and my sweat and blood working for the National Wild Turkey Federation, Ovis, Rocky Mtn Elk Foundation, and the Professional Bowhunters Society to more than make up for the few animals I have been fortunate enough to take with my traditional archery equipment.

 

Then there is the agenda of the media. They are telling us right now polar bears are dying off..when in fact that is simply not true. I have many friends in Alaska and the Nunavit area of Canada. They tell me the stories we are being fed are simply not accurate.

 

The media is not free-it's shackled by its self imposed socialist ideals and the political correctness that has so pervaded the US. You simply cannot believe everything you hear because instead of reporting the news, the media is SHAPING the news to fit its agenda.

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Sounds like you feel attacked Ray when the attack was never made.

 

I simply asked 1 question. One the other issue regarding the jaguar I actually never asked you at all so I will not entertain your comments even if some of them are not entirely true (i.e where hunting takes place and where it doesn't, as that would fall into a politics issue and that is out of bounds here).

 

I do not dislike hunting as I said. If I could I would do it more often as I'm particularly fond of wild pigs, hogs and boars in general.

 

Having answered the question I deem myself satisfied.

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Sounds like you feel attacked Ray when the attack was never made.

 

I simply asked 1 question. One the other issue regarding the jaguar I actually never asked you at all so I will not entertain your comments even if some of them are not entirely true (i.e where hunting takes place and where it doesn't, as that would fall into a politics issue and that is out of bounds here).

 

I do not dislike hunting as I said. If I could I would do it more often as I'm particularly fond of wild pigs, hogs and boars in general.

 

Having answered the question I deem myself satisfied.

 

 

Your questions insinuated that he was only taking trophies and not eating the meat.

 

Oh wait, he's in Venezuala..... of course he knows the media is ALWAYS right. Ray, we're just stupid imperialistic Americans.

 

 

Never mind, I don't want to come across as the asshole I really am. I just hope you don't get a nosebleed on that high horse.

Edited by Will Leavitt

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RAY ---As involved with various conservation projects as you have been. You might have heard about the cat-hunter GLENN. He lives in the South East corner of Arizona.

He treed/photographed a JAGUAR in the area where he lives. I don't remember now, just exactly where it was. it was either on the border of Arizona/New Mexico or the border of Arizona/Chihuahua, Mexico. It was where the three states come together.

 

It has been many, many years since a Jaguar has been seen in this area. I have hunted cats and bears, would have dearly loved to have been in on that one.

 

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RAY ---As involved with various conservation projects as you have been. You might have heard about the cat-hunter GLENN. He lives in the South East corner of Arizona.

He treed/photographed a JAGUAR in the area where he lives. I don't remember now, just exactly where it was. it was either on the border of Arizona/New Mexico or the border of Arizona/Chihuahua, Mexico. It was where the three states come together.

 

It has been many, many years since a Jaguar has been seen in this area. I have hunted cats and bears, would have dearly loved to have been in on that one.

 

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That would've been neat.... right up until that cat came out of the tree. :eek: We have all these stories around here in Central Alabama about jaguars and stuff. I've seen some casts of some HUGE cat prints.

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Your questions insinuated that he was only taking trophies and not eating the meat.

 

Oh wait, he's in Venezuala..... of course he knows the media is ALWAYS right. Ray, we're just stupid imperialistic Americans.

 

 

Never mind, I don't want to come across as the asshole I really am. I just hope you don't get a nosebleed on that high horse.

 

I have no need for insinuation. Baiting is for fish and prey, not for thinking and reasoning animals Will. I made a question regarding the Jaguar, not the Elk, not the Hogs, Kudus, Springboks or Elephants and I did it for the very reason that I did not want to talk about other game which are allowed to be hunted, it would have been out of place.

 

I do not know if you are any of the things you say, fact is it would be a generalization. I was born here, I am for the moment here but I have resided in Britain and will go back to it in the immediate future. I say that in case it helps clarify any possible stereotyping you might feel tempted to do about what I am.

 

Another thing, I don't do media, I do science.

 

Anyway it is quite pointless to reason with people over the net these days (and that is a generalization and not aimed at anyone in case you feel like taking offence), it's quite hard to distinguish what is an opinion (usually formed through logical processes in which facts are gathered) from a belief (that which is convenient to a person just because and which as such deserves no regard) when you read around these days.

 

G'day gents

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The leather- The plain one is a gent in Arkansas named Rowe...from Hope Arkansas. The one that is decorated is Treestump from Maine. Both great folks to deal with. The only thing I don't like as much as I LOVE making knives is leatherwork!

 

HYLLYN, I don't know about NOW, but at the time the cat was taken it was LEGAL to take it...a photo is forever...I didn't state when it was taken.... and you did not insinuate, you STATED that the jaguar was NOT an animal suitable for trophy hunting. I don't agree.

 

You then went on after that to ask if I ate anything I killed, and that, taken in context, INSINUATED I might be trophy-killing the other animals. Words, alone and formed together into sentences carry a meaning and yours spoke volumes in those couple of short sentences.

 

To be sure, one never knows whether the questioner, or the responder, has his facts straight. Add to that the understanding that OTHERS, not involved in the discussion, read, contemplate, and form opinions based on what they read and its easy to understand WHY and also the manner in which I responded.

 

Hunting, whether for trophy or for food is under attack- its already been dealt a mortal blow/ killed in many parts of the Old World- and European media is decidedly anti-hunting.

 

I understand where you are coming from, and I believe you understand my thinking as well. I am also quite satisfied.

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Ray, Don't worry about it. He was just asking a question and did not not know what he was asking implied anything. Hÿllyn was just curious and is well outside of our culture and completely unaware of the ongoing culture war between city people and country folk in North America. We all get along on this forum, that's a rule, kinda like no talking religion at the barber shop.

 

 

I will be back in Alaska soon and will get back to trapping wolves with my friends and family. I think that's the hottest point of contention in North America right now as far as animal rights and PETA. If you want to know anything about that just drop me a PM.

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I would normally accept that explanation, Bryan..but I have read Hyllyn's prior posts here and understood him to say he had spent a great deal of time in Great Britian...so I think he is more connected than one would assume a typical Venezuelan might be.

 

I suppose I am to blame. I only spend time on two forums, one is a bowhunting forum and this one...and I just did not think about the possibility of creating a stir with hunting photos- my bad.

 

Won't make that error in future. If the mods want to kill this thread I have no difficulty with that.

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Ray Great knives and great pics. a few months ago I was looking at a collection of BR Hughes' trophy pictures. He had a couple of shots of hunting a Hippo in Africa. Because the species is protected they were allowed to hunt with tranq rifles. So they could still enjoy the hunt and get a trophy shot but not injure the animal. He had some awesome pictures.

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Nice knives Ray, great hunting pics too. I too love to bowhunt, but am also heavy into muzzleloading rifle hunting(traditional type only), and as a knifemaker I do a lot of custom orders for hunters all over the world, and the guides really like my stuff. Here are a couple photo's of a knife built for a guide friend who wanted purpleheart for the handle, the stuff is really tuff and wears well.

 

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Thanks. It's not my bear. I used to think I wanted to kill one of these bears with my bow, or even my muzzleloader, but I work so closley with them all year as a certified bear guard for Fish and game that I've had all the thrills I need from them. I've been charged about a dozen times up to about ten feet and have obviously been lucky enough to have not been mauled, but I've aquired a very healthy respect and knowledge about them, we fish alongside them for salmon in the summer within spitting distance of each other but if you don't know how to read them your gonna get in trouble. As a side note, when these bears are harvested during certain times of the year, there meat is utilized! Here on Kodiak Island we have over 4000 Kodiak brown bears and they can get up to 1500pds and square over eleven ft. The knife is one of my ball bearing blades, with bronze guard and purpleheart handles. Wes

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Thanks. It's not my bear. I used to think I wanted to kill one of these bears with my bow, or even my muzzleloader, but I work so closley with them all year as a certified bear guard for Fish and game that I've had all the thrills I need from them. I've been charged about a dozen times up to about ten feet and have obviously been lucky enough to have not been mauled, but I've aquired a very healthy respect and knowledge about them, we fish alongside them for salmon in the summer within spitting distance of each other but if you don't know how to read them your gonna get in trouble. As a side note, when these bears are harvested during certain times of the year, there meat is utilized! Here on Kodiak Island we have over 4000 Kodiak brown bears and they can get up to 1500pds and square over eleven ft. The knife is one of my ball bearing blades, with bronze guard and purpleheart handles. Wes

 

An Army buddy of mine that is an Aleut says bear meat gives him gas like no tomorrow.... I can't imagine being anywhere near a Kodiak, I've seen some grizzlies up in Wyoming where my godfather lives. Animals like that remind me that we're apex predators ONLY because of our tools and intelligence (I'm not that smart, just smart enough not to be near them.) :P

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Yep, I lived in Wyoming for eleven years before I moved up to Kodiak, Ak. Thats where I got started meeting grizzlies face to face.

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Ray, Its a given we are pro hunting and fishing as American knife enthusiasts, If anyone takes issue with that I just do not respond to it here as it causes more problems. I think its great to post hunting pictures, no problem with that. It would be great to see even more hunting pictures for that matter. I have been a traditional bow hunter most of my life and have messed around with making my Archery gear and tackle. I have been outside for awhile now but my time left in Asia is short, I will be back to Alaska March 2009.

 

WES, I sent you a PM last year about Kodiak, did you ever get it? As far as I know there are four people from Alaska who post on this forum, you, Steve, Jake, and myself. There has been some talk of having a Open Forge in Alaska in July or so, possibly the fourth of July. Do you have any interest in that?

 

 

This picture is of the last Grizzly killed by Albert Carrol up the Yukon River between Circle City and Eagle. I'm not sure how many bears old Albert killed in his life but it was many. He was a riverboat captain on the Yukon and the Chief of Circle City, The historical mining town written about by Jack London in "The Call Of The Wild". He was also one of toughest old men that God ever turned loose on nature. He died of Cancer not to long after this picture was taken, within months his son Norman was gone too. Norman and his father were two of the most colorful people you would ever meet, I was lucky to have got to know them.

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