Christopher Price Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 So at Jeff's unconscious prompting (really, I was just jealous of his collection) I got myself a couple 10th century artifacts from Wendland, an ax and a spear. The spear intrigued me, because using handmade hammer, anvil, files and stones, the smith of old made something more graceful and symmetrical than I can do with the advantages of modern tooling and technology. But, what really interested me, was how the socket for the spear was made. So I got ahold of some dental impression material, and proceeded to take a cast of the socket interior. Shining a light down the hole revealed a weld seam invisible on the outside (corrosions salts, etc.) but I wanted to see if I could capture the shape of the tooling used to form the socket around, as well... and I think I just might have. The spear in question: And the mold, from a couple different angles: I think it's pretty cool to 'see' something that's been hidden for a millenium, and get inside the head of the smith who made this object. Now I have to make a bick anvil that will work for this shape, and get busy trying to reproduce the grace and symmetry of this piece. With my own iron, of course. The Tidewater Forge Christopher Price, Bladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklionforge Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 not thats just plain cool bro....mind posting pics of the bick you make for forming thwe socket ???? All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart,and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEzell Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 No sign of the weld on the outside... looks like a lap-weld from the impression... damn, that guy was gooood.... I am always left humbled before the artifacts of the ancient smiths, nice piece of history, thank you for showing it. That is way beyond my forging skill. I've forged out 5 sockets now and only the last was worth forging a blade on, but it justifies my saving old springs to waste in the learning process. It will take a few more practice runs (50-100, at best) before I get near that level. That will be beautiful in shop-brewed steely iron. George Ezell, bladesmith" How much useful knowledge is lost by the scattered forms in which it is ushered to the world! How many solitary students spend half their lives in making discoveries which had been perfected a century before their time, for want of a condensed exhibition of what is known."Buffonview some of my work RelicForge on facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Price Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Parts of these artifacts are corroded on the outside, sometimes with a built-up layer of crud from the rivers they were pulled from. I'm sure, if I were to sandblast the spear, the weld would be visible from the outside as well... but I'm not that brave, and the inside impression makes me just as happy. The Tidewater Forge Christopher Price, Bladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Too cool! I never would have thought to pull an impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Price Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well, to determine the proper tooling for the socket, it was either that or slice it open. Which would you prefer to do to an old object? The Tidewater Forge Christopher Price, Bladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Salvati Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Are you going to spark test it too Chris? Let not the swords of good and free men be reforged into plowshares, but may they rest in a place of honor; ready, well oiled and God willing unused. For if the price of peace becomes licking the boots of tyrants, then "To Arms!" I say, and may the fortunes of war smile upon patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Price Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Eh, no. Pretty sure that the spears weren't hardened, though, and possibly/probably were made from relatively low C iron. Too many have been found with curled over tips to suggest even a spring temper, and if not hardened, why bother wasting good steel on the piece instead of using softer material? The Tidewater Forge Christopher Price, Bladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Pringle Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Many of the smaller spears were iron only, but there were also lots that had hardened steel edges, especially the pattern-welded ones and lances. I spark test, so that others will not have to Jomsvikingar Raða Ja! http://vikingswordsmith.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jipp Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 heh i spark test so others do not.. brave man.. thanks for sharing i find the old artifacts very interesting.. great idea on the mold.. i probably would of used silly putty cause thats what would of came to mind first. chris. i could complain but who would listen. chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Baughman Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 It would be neat to make more impressions from other spears to see if they had the same makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Hi,Chris,and thanks for that info.Just in case that you may find it useful,here's a link to my "page"where i translated some old Russian research,there are some sectional views,and composition info(pretty much the way Jeff describes it). http://picasaweb.google.com/jakesiron/Exer...eriod9th13thCC# Neat idea with the impression,however,personally i've always been most puzzled by the top of the socket,not so much the lap itself.Seems unlikely,but it's possible that you may obtain some info about the beginning of the socket that way,too. Anyway,thanks,and good luck.Jake. God is in his heaven,and Czar is far away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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