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I did not want to offend someone !!! ... It is a fine art with no profanity element here and in the Czech Republic I have never met with the view of these photos might offend children, even when working as a teacher :rolleyes: ... But if these pictures seem immoral is possible to delete it ... thank you

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Sorry, Tomas, but we did remove the photos. I also am not offended, but there are many who were and have let us know about it. America is in general far more conservative about such things than Europe. That said, those were good photos. B)

 

It's not a big deal, but let's leave the clothes on in the future, please. :lol:

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Do you have them hosted on another site or blog? If so posting a hyperlink with a warning should be OK. It's sad that our culture still can not separate porn from art even though our US Supreme Court did many years ago.

 

BTW, he let everyone know in the title of this post what was in it. Why would those who are offended click on it anyway?:rolleyes:

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You do amazing work with some interesting fusions of the back drops and sets. Do you use dig or film? B&W photography is very challenging and most people can't do it. Ansel Adams is one of my favorite B&W artists. You really have to have an eye for contrast, texture and composition.

 

You have to create the shot and not just make a color copy of it.

 

Keep up the great work!

 

I just checked out your knives and your talent for capturing flow and texture comes out just as well on a whole different pallet.

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Love your photography :)

 

There are many many subliminal, and well.. not so subliminal connections between the female figure and attractive knives. Recurves and flowing handles can hint at the shape of a torso, and most of the time, these are the most appealing designs.

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I agree, Tomas is an outstanding artist! I also regret that I felt it necessary to take them down, but I have to do something with my moderating powers after all... :rolleyes::wacko:;)

 

While it isn't my job to babysit, it is my job to keep things running smoothly here. I appreciate the female form all too well, but I also understand I have to keep things "safe" (oh, how I hate that word!) for all audiences. One of the guys who asked Don to do something pointed out that if they had been nude scrims or carvings on knife handles or blades they would have been perfectly fine, and I agree. If y'all think I went too far, well, sorry. You can go look at Tomas' work on his site, just don't do it from work! :lol:

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I have one another idea :) if you like human body you can also look at my drawings (better only link :), I do many kind of art work :)

 

it´s good exam for eye to see harmonic lines while sketching knives

 

http://tomasrucker.com/drawings/index.html

 

and about photograhy ... I use digital camera ... everything is only about eye, idea and light

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While I found them nice as well, I just wanted to warn ya we do have people who live with the McCarthy Era morals. I didnt complain or mean to imply I was complaining about it, just was trying to give ya a heads up.

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Final comment from me: the ultimate reason for removing the images is this:

 

It doesn't matter if I think the pictures were prurient or not. If I were seen looking at those in my office, I would lose my job, no questions asked. If my employers even thought about the possibility of those images on this site, it would be banned from my work computer. If I couldn't look at this site from work, I would be very sad. There are several others in the same predicament. So, no more nude pics on this site, please.

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Yeah I think the debate on this is over as there is a link provided to view them and there is always the google machine. Being that this is a public site it does have to go by a set of guidelines, invoking McCarthy Era morals has nothing to do with it. I think Don Fogg would have done the same. Its nothing against his work, which is amazing by the way, but its matter of this being a public forum and some people might not agree.

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I think the primary thing here is this: We are a forum dedicated to the craft of making blades. We are relatively unique on the Internet in the sense that we have a culture that is amazingly polite, respectful and helpful when compared to other on-line forums.

 

I think this strength comes from Don's original vision of a non-drama filled, craft-focused discussion.

 

Personally, I too think that nude photos/drawings can be art and are not necessarily offensive. And, as Alan mentioned, if someone was objecting to the depiction of nude bodies depicted on a knife (via etching or scrimshaw, e.g.), I would be the first to jump into the fray and defend it as a legitimate element of our craft.

 

However, since this art is not knife related--however worthy the artist and/or the final product--I want to avoid the potential drama/debate associated with it. If we must debate, let it be about our craft.

 

Heated debate is a sign of a healthy intellectual engagement with a complex subject. But, I think it should be rare. Let's not risk wasting those rare, but important points of heated debate by engaging in critique of an art form that is off-the-subject for our forum.

 

Therefore, I agree with Alan's decision to remove the photos. Good call bud. We need to preserve the "no drama" zone.

 

At any rate, my two cents . . .

 

--Dave

 

P.S. Mr. Rucker: I hope you don't feel unwelcome to the forum as a result of this mild debate. In fact, I think this is a useful and important dicussion to have, so thanks for (perhaps unintentionally) bringing it up. Please feel free to post lots of controversial knife images! --Grins

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It doesn't matter if I think the pictures were prurient or not. If I were seen looking at those in my office, I would lose my job, no questions asked. If my employers even thought about the possibility of those images on this site, it would be banned from my work computer. If I couldn't look at this site from work, I would be very sad. There are several others in the same predicament. So, no more nude pics on this site, please.

 

Alan,

 

This spot on.

 

I grew up perusing the centerfolds of Playboy. And while I don't make a habit of it (heaven forbid :o) I have been known to gaze at, as Mr Rucker remarked, the beautiful human (adult female) form online.

 

And while there is a strong argument for one man's art is another man's pornography there can be no doubt in any company policy, court of law and the ultimate guardian of morals and behavior-Mama looking over the shoulder of her 11 year old son- this would be considered pornography.

 

As such all of the above entities would black list this great forum.

 

 

We are relatively unique on the Internet in the sense that we have a culture that is amazingly polite, respectful and helpful when compared to other on-line forums.

 

What Dave says is very true so I don't think there is any real disagreement with Alan's decision. It is true that we are a forum dedicated to the craft of bladesmithing.

However, there is nothing wrong with good (deep-thinking) friends discussing larger issues from time to time.

 

As for the pictures themselves-some I liked some I thought were kind of gross. But that is art. My tastes run toward clean, natural lines where form follows function. Anything that is highly manipulated or excessively decorated just for effect usually turns me off.

 

That is really a discussion for another place and time and not one I intend to start here.

 

So I will readily admit to looking at what can be considered pornography with pleasure. I just don't want myself or anybody else to be surprised by it.

 

My NSHO (not so humble opinion)

 

Dan

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I, for one, find our (U.S.) culture's mores totally bizarre.

 

The photographs and drawings are wonderful. Of course they mainly deal with ideal female form. <sigh> I /used/ to have a fairly ideal male form - those days are long gone.

 

But back to bladesmithing - With the eye you've developed, I can see why your blades are so graceful. The lines that you bring out so well in the photos remind me of what I find appealing in the lines of your knives.

 

Michael Kemp

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The debate aside, I just want to say, Tomas, that you are an outstanding artist and I really admire you for being able to produce art in so many different forms, all of which show exceptional skill, dedication, and ability. Your site has got some very beautiful content.

 

-Dan

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Nice picture work. Each one is a large amount of work.

This said, I have to admit that I will never understand north american mentality. You sometime think like during middle age in europe. On one side, you can not see a naked shoulder, and you have the largest and the nastier porn industry in the world. You want to save baby seal but bring war all over the world. Seeing bad intentions where there is just innocence is evil and typical of frustrated monks. Your culture produced some of the greatest man ever. It make me swim in a sea of incomprehension. I see your country like a ying and yang symbol made of two pitbulls terriers biting each other. One white, one black. No grey in between.

Sorry but sometimes I just can't keep my mouth shut.

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Igec,

I completely agree with you .... but we need to be careful we don't spill over into politics too far on this forum... this can ingnite easily into a name bashing which we don't allow on this forum... there are lots of other forums out there for political disscusion... I just thought I'd stick a heads up in here before someone could take off on your comments and go straight to the bashing...

you don't understand our politics? We don't eitherlaugh.gif and it seems to get worse all the time as far shades of grey are concerned....

 

Dick

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but we need to be careful we don't spill over into politics too far on this forum... this can ingnite easily into a name bashing which we don't allow on this forum...

 

you know... on a normal forum i wouldn't worry about a little flame war, but on a forum where everyone either collects or makes swords, knives, axes and any other weapon you can name, and are pretty generally well versed in using tooling twice as lethal as their swords.... well... legitimate concern ;)

 

 

i'm glad the mod's are on top of things or someone would have gotten blood-eagled by now.

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