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this is a blade inspired by a few conversations with Peter Johnsson at Owen's last weekend. so far it's a pretty standeard broad sax style blade. its 16" long with an 8" tang. the spine is slightly hollow ground into a broad fuller, which will get defined with some scraped grooves, once ive polished the fuller.

 

seaxizashi rough ground.jpg

 

the idea is to give it a recognisably controlled hamon and full hybrid polish, and to mount it in a hybrid sax/jap style - fuchi/kashira, small tsuba, maybe a sculpted habaki, a leather sheathed handle with risers and probably some tooling. maybe thor's hammer menuki. i'll go for a proper design if i get it through the quench (2 secs water, into cold oil, trying to produce a nice hamon without distorting the shape).

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Thank's Petr - and yeah, so it begins.

 

i just had an idea - a norse interpretation of a japanese horimono (fuller carving) theme - a dragon coiled around a sword. do you know of any long, thin viking dragon carvings which could be adapted to this theme?

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thanks Petr, that looks exactly like the type of thing i was imagining.

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i can't take credit for the concept - this idea grew out of a couple of blades that Peter and Jake made with Don Fogg 3 years ago at Owen's. i think that after this year the meme has taken hold, though...

 

thank's for the pic, Jeff - that's a really cute design. i think maybe it would suit a more traditional narrow sax, though - for this i'm looking for something kinda representational, which would more closely mimic a dragon and ken horimono, but with a northern european sensibility. not gonna worry about it too much until i see if it survives h-t.

 

here it is ground to 150 grit and clayed up, drying on the hotplate of my rayburn:

 

seaxizashi clay.jpg

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

Albert Einstein

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Jake!

This is not fair!

You get to make your before I can complete my seaxisashi/wakisax!

 

Joking aside, this will be a nice one, I think.

It´ll be interesting to see your take on the theme.

 

I forgot my sketch book at Owen´s, otherwise I´d scan some of the sketches I made on this theme.

You saw them I guess, Jake? But this Seaxisashi/wakisax theme could be varied according to ones personal ideas, pretty much infinitely with the given japanese-germanic cross breeding.

 

Perhaps this thread you started, Jake, could be dedicated to different takes on the theme. It seems to me there are others who are also inspired to make something along those lines. It would be fun to see the possible variations increase over time on the same thread.

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Cheers John - it wasn't too bad, though there was about half an hour on the plane where i thought the pressure was going to explode my head...

 

Peter, i've had a chance to start, yes, but it could still take years to finish. i haven't acually seen your sketches for that one - be sure to post them when you get your notebook back.

 

i'd love it if others would post their ideas and work on this theme in this thread - when i started sketching this yesterday morning, i was really unsure of what blade style to start with, but it seemed that this would be the easiest shape to get the ball rolling without straying too far into one form or the other - there is an almost infinite variety of possible combinations.

 

anyway, it survived the quench, hardly seems to have warped at all, no curvature (about 1" negative sori when it went into the oil - barely fitted in my quench tube) and the hamon follows the main bead of clay exactly, though i'm not sure how much the ashi took, so i'm pretty happy - i'll snap a pic when it comes out of the oven.

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

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to get the ball rolling on other takes on this theme, here's a piece of Don's from december 09:

 

dons seax.jpg

 

which seems to fit, and sets a hell of a bench mark...

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you guys are making Toshi Schwarzenegger proud!

Let not the swords of good and free men be reforged into plowshares, but may they rest in a place of honor; ready, well oiled and God willing unused. For if the price of peace becomes licking the boots of tyrants, then "To Arms!" I say, and may the fortunes of war smile upon patriots

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Howard, please do join in - i'd a feeling you might appreciate the spirit of this...

 

out of the oven and given a quick clean up on the grinder:

 

seaxizashi hardened.jpg

 

it seems to have taken a touch more down-curve in the tempering (2x 1hr at 200C)and i think i like it - gives it a hungry, lupine aspect - maybe a fenris theme?

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Howard, please do join in - i'd a feeling you might appreciate the spirit of this...

 

out of the oven and given a quick clean up on the grinder:

 

seaxizashi hardened.jpg

 

it seems to have taken a touch more down-curve in the tempering (2x 1hr at 200C)and i think i like it - gives it a hungry, lupine aspect - maybe a fenris theme?

 

YES! I like where you are going with that idea!

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Great idea - I am starting a seax with pattern welded spine (twisted) and plain 1075 edge with full hamon. I decided to do this after I posted the polished pics of the dao. I need to make something pweld, but shorter. No full-sized swords for at least a month. I was even planning to hollow-grind eht back like you did to play with my new 4" and 3" contact wheels. Sort of a simillar idea, but I am not going the full Japanese fittings on a seax (and couldn't even if I wanted to.) I may do a patinated brass or copper tsuba, or blued steel. Probably patina.

 

I will be really interested in how you carve the smaller grooves into the steel.

 

 

I think this will be really cool. FUN! thanks for sharing. I really look forward to seeing this. I love the stuff you make and really learn a lot from reading your topics and comments.

 

thanks,

 

Kevin

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Darn it Jake, I just got home at 10 PM last night and you already got a !@#$$# blade ready? :blink:

 

Looks like I'm not even gonna have time to start for the next week or two, but I like the direction you're going with that. Mine's planned to be a bit closer to Don's, but not nearly as well made. Not that I wouldn't like it to be, of course, but it just won't. :rolleyes::lol:

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With the Fenrir idea you could use the classic Byakko horimono as good reference...just with a wolf instead of a tiger...and more viking like.

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i've just done a quick sketch of a wolf horimono. haven't worked out the knots, just wanted to see if i could get the idea just using incised lines, and i think it could work...

 

wolf horimono.jpg

 

Mike, do you have a pic of a Byakko horimono? google images isn't turning up anything useful...

Jake Cleland - Skye Knives

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

Albert Einstein

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I think you already accomplished what I had in mind, but better. The only one I seem to find anymore is the one on page 98 in The Craft of the Japanese Sword. I used to have a background for my computer that was from a painting on the four gods. The byakko (tiger) looked just like the horimono. Sadly it was on my last computer and I can't find it anywhere. Sorry I was no help. :( Like I said though looks like you have it covered.

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