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jake cleland
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i've been approached to make a large (roughly 16" o/a), ornate viking knife, with a nautical theme, as a wedding present. so far i've come up with 3 basic designs.

 

the first is basically a narrow seax with carved beast panels and a osenberg ring knot round the middle. for this i'd probably use antler for the handle with an ebony spacer, silver or steel mounts and copper accents:

 

laverstock seax design.jpg

 

next up is my interpretation of a Gotlandic war knife. this would have blued steel fittings, ebony handle and antler spacer with sea serpent carving:

 

war knife design 1.jpg

 

and finally a shorter version of the war knife as filtered through the idea of nordic wedding knives:

 

war knife design 2.jpg

 

i'm leaning towards the larger war knife design - what do you think?

Jake Cleland - Skye Knives

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i'm leaning towards the larger war knife design - what do you think?

I am with you on that Jake. It is the sexiest (not seaxiest) of the bunch.

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Jake - definitely go with the second blade design. As for handle, go with either the first or the second. Both are nice. I don't know enough about tradition to know how that would guide. This looks like it will be really cool.

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well thank you all for your input on this. i ended up only sending the second design, and after several days googling osenberg, jormungandr and gotland, the customer loves the design. one day i still hope someone will commission a laverstock interpretation from me, but this thread has convinced me that i've approached this from the right angle, so thank you all...

Jake Cleland - Skye Knives

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

Albert Einstein

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made a start on this one today - 11 1/2" 1095 blade, rough ground with a slightly hollow back and flat bevels. still needs a bit of tweaking before h-t:

 

gotlandic war knife rough blade.jpg

Jake Cleland - Skye Knives

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

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off to a good start. keep us posted, please.

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so i got this clayed and quenched tonight. unfortunately, it took three attempts - i'd left the edge a bit thick because this cross section has a tendency to warp badly - and so it has taken a considerable nose dive. plus, on the last one something went wrong getting it into the quench bucket, and the last inch of the blade didn't get quenched fast enough to harden. it's in the oven now, and if it survives straightening, i'll take a good look at it and decide if it works for me, or if i have to go back and quench it in water, which it's a bit thin for...

 

clayed up:

 

gotland clayed.jpg

 

and with the bark ground off after atempt no.3:

 

gotland quenched.jpg

 

 

gotland quenched 2.jpg

 

what do you reckon? personally i like the shape, but i don't know if it's suitable for this knife...

Jake Cleland - Skye Knives

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

Albert Einstein

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finished the grinding today:

 

gotland blade ground.jpg

 

in this pic you can clearly see the amount of negative sori this took on through the three quenches. the bloody thing is too long to fit in my etching tank, so we'll have to wait and see about the hamon, but what does everyone think about the shape?

Jake Cleland - Skye Knives

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

Albert Einstein

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The shape seems quite elegant. I don't mind the reverse sori at all. It might even add to its slender beauty :-) Looking forward to seeing the hamon.

 

Niels.

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Hey Jake - you have to think, there must have been a number of viking blades that were hardened in oil, which would mean a number of them that took nosedives. I am not up on 9th Century Metallurgy as I should be, but I would guess that had at least enough carbon in the edge material on many blades and would have hardened especially the shorter (non-sword) ones. So, there had to be a number of knives with a little dip toward the end.

 

It looks very good, you have done well with the intersection of the bevels. I think maybe having a slight hollow in the back helps make the line look really crisp.

 

quite cool. thanks for letting us watch the development.

kc

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started on the handle for this today, to get an idea of how the lines work before i decide if it will serve its purpose:

 

gotland handle.jpg

 

bolster is steel, handle is ebony and antler, with copper spacers. i think i'm pretty happy with it, i'll know for sure once i get the next 2 spacers and the buttcap and peening block shaped, but i like the flow from the edge to the finger rise at the start of the handle - looks almost like i planned it...

Jake Cleland - Skye Knives

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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

 

Albert Einstein

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Superb, Jake. I'm really liking where this is going. Can't wait to see the handle carved- the drawing is awesome!

 

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I like the shape of the blade, I don't think the nose-dive hurt it at all.

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Crappy knife. Way too pointy and sharp looking for a knife, and with the handle that well put together everyone will know you didn't really make it. Send it to me, I'll dispose of it. Just finish the carving first ;)

 

 

In all seriousness, is this based on a historic model? I seem to remember seeing something in my research pretty similar, but I lost all that when I reformatted. I don't mean the small little knife from Sweden. I think it was from a Viking settlement in one of the Baltic countries (latvia, lithuania or estonia iirc).

 

Either way, I really like the geometry of the blade, especially the way it dovetails with the handle. Very cool work!

 

-Liam

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