Niko Hynninen Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Hi all I had chance to use tools of trade and one week time to forge wootz ingots. Week is not much even I spend 10-12hours per day at forge. Even only 4 ingots I managet to brake down to bar´s all went great, only one had some props, but that was one site from start. Some pics. ( notise that these just forged bars are only raw grids and etch, decarb + skale there is) ( lengths 550mm, 870mm, 1000mm + 20-35mm wide 10-12mm thick ) Still over 25 kg of ingots to forge down and to bars but this is start, also forgign these bars to swords is in distant unknown future. Even so Im extra happy about this sens my plans and ideas that I had before starting this pointed out to be right. Forging, force,speed.. Rest of the ingots I will forge same way and schedule new melts whit new furnace. Niko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Ysselstein Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Hi all I had chance to use tools of trade and one week time to forge wootz ingots. Week is not much even I spend 10-12hours per day at forge. Even only 4 ingots I managet to brake down to bar´s all went great, only one had some props, but that was one site from start. otise that these just forged bars are only raw grids and etch, decarb + skale there is) ( lengths 550mm, 870mm, 1000mm + 20-35mm wide 10-12mm thick ) Still over 25 kg of ingots to forge down and to bars but this is start, also forgign these bars to swords is in distant unknown future. Even so Im extra happy about this sens my plans and ideas that I had before starting this pointed out to be right. Forging, force,speed.. Rest of the ingots I will forge same way and schedule new melts whit new furnace. Niko Niko, Good to see some Wootz posting around here..,the patterns look very beautiful. Charcoal making has the tail wagging the dog around here, looking forward to getting back to forging some Wootz as well ( everything I could find on horizontal surfaces has been converted to "coupons" . Good luck, Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adski Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Hi Great work Niko. Good luck with continued forging. --- Adam Edited March 6, 2012 by Adski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Thomas Obach Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Hi Niko beautiful patterns in each bar ! each will tell a nice story when i becomes a sword your weeks worth of work is more than my half a year ( i need a time machine great stuff Greg ps.. i really like the tight elements in the bottom bars... where pattern groups together and it is very white .. its gold to me ! North Shore Forge & Ironworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Hynninen Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 Thanks Guys. I think bars and patterns look ok so far. Hoping that I can forge them out to swords like rest of the steel in corner. Reality is that it will take time...lots. Pattern is different that before and im thinking that these could be even more intersting than previous ones..saying this it can be just opposite...this steel has mind of it own. I try to get more pics how structure look at moment soon as I can. Niko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin reagan Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Hoping that I can forge them out to swords like rest of the steel in corner. Reality is that it will take time...lots. Looks great. Very jealous! Doesn't it start to move a little bit easier once it's been worked to this degree, or is UHC (ultra-high carbon) 'wootz' always very hard under the hammer? Is it mostly the fact that you can't get it to too high a forging heat that makes this a difficult material to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Potter Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Those look beautiful. Nice pattern. Ben Potter Bladesmith It's not that I would trade my lot Or any other man's, Nor that I will be ashamed Of my work torn hands- For I have chosen the path I tread Knowing it would be steep, And I will take the joys thereof And the consequences reap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokke Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Moi, so you used grinding for getting more "moiree", like in the ladder pattern at least this is how it looks like to me any special x's or forms for the grinding on the raw bar? or did you use a chissel, which would be nearer to the original way of making a ladder pattern I think the old persian smithes did not use a powergrinder hope to see more in summer heippa Jokke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Hynninen Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Looks great. Very jealous! Doesn't it start to move a little bit easier once it's been worked to this degree, or is UHC (ultra-high carbon) 'wootz' always very hard under the hammer? Is it mostly the fact that you can't get it to too high a forging heat that makes this a difficult material to work? Hi. Thank you. Yes it dose, and this material turns to super plastic soon as its grain size is small, its about same time as the large Cm particles are braking and turning to spheroids. Why this will take time now..its course of the reality that I dont have chance to forge at moment. BR Niko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Hynninen Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Moi, so you used grinding for getting more "moiree", like in the ladder pattern at least this is how it looks like to me any special x's or forms for the grinding on the raw bar? or did you use a chissel, which would be nearer to the original way of making a ladder pattern I think the old persian smithes did not use a powergrinder hope to see more in summer heippa Hi. Actually all these are as I wrote raw bars after forgign. Just fast grid and etch, ladder pattern is duo the dies of powerhammer nothing more Niko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokke Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) hmm, powerhammer marks the bars and it looks like laddering so the thougt that the way of hammering the bar in different ways without using any grinding of grooves does lead, or may lead to different moirees even the form of the used hammer head can make the difference then this is very interesting, Niko hope we will be able to talk about it Edited March 11, 2012 by Jokke Jokke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutvonen Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Moro. Nice group of kankia I know there is lots of work before you reach this point making Wootz blades ect. I have my own studies this forging without grinding, what it causes different lines. I use different shape hammers,different size ballheadhammers... I hope that Niko will not dislike that I'll add my pictures here, maybe one day I start my own thread I get finally my sprighammer working properly, pine tar on belt and CRC on clutch(Niko told me this wet clutch issue,thx), now there is adjustable hit. I found other half of cake nro.7 on the floor and get idea, forge it bar.(with newborn springhammer) I thought that I broke other half about year ago, but no, accomplishment: 400mm x 28mm x 18mm. BR Janne The End Smile Kruunari Do not try to forcibly, take willingly a bigger hammer.Janne KruunariakaB.Sofa Also known as Jandaus Rahnastohttps://www.facebook.com/borderlandsofimagination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Thomas Obach Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 very nice bar, gotta love it when you have the bar out to sword length... it doesn't get any better than that ! really like your springhammer, that is a nice little gem ! Only thing i'd do different is make a little iron stirrup to lower the foot pedal height... stepping up high like that must be difficult and off balance good stuff North Shore Forge & Ironworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutvonen Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Hi. Nowadays there is wooden piece for that hight issue and works very well. Do not try to forcibly, take willingly a bigger hammer.Janne KruunariakaB.Sofa Also known as Jandaus Rahnastohttps://www.facebook.com/borderlandsofimagination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Pringle Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Excellent wootzwork guys, keep raising the bar! Jomsvikingar Raða Ja! http://vikingswordsmith.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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