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Greetings fellow iron addicts.

 

I started this during the summer before I left for school, and I recently got around to making some real progress on it...

 

As the title says, it's an Oakeshott Type XVIIIb, I think somewhere in the realm of 45-ish inches overall. I'm not really sure since I designed it based off of Peter Johnsson's theory and set aside the measuring tape more or less entirely for the design. Hope you guys enjoy!

 

The design with a close-up of the hilt design...I kept it pretty simple ;)/>

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4S-EbviuNjn33q0ttHCbhKdVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1OZb_JATVpo/UOoUnYdHtZI/AAAAAAAABGc/vo2dLOVnTaM/s800/100_0829.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pZich7j93_LSuAE3FfvPqKdVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GcfIB9TOzH4/UOoUmrE5W1I/AAAAAAAABGY/Vc20_trHgWc/s800/100_0828.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

The blade as-forged:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hZk2xIluBtvl9_EiCd5UXadVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_yVDexgTjfI/UOoUoUnNmXI/AAAAAAAABGk/Mp0uWECspsw/s800/100_0831.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WWIM8hDacQx3X7GCJhbLUadVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--JbqwuNkYCo/UOoUpFbvecI/AAAAAAAABGs/iHt7LhAA-e8/s800/100_0833.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aFtZ4TTgkRNxPo361B1dVadVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lJ4_3_oaMCc/UOoUqltq2sI/AAAAAAAABG4/YXx7eRzDSY4/s800/100_0836.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

Taping the design on top of the blade so I can trace it out and grind away the excess:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6UauLi-0URJ96tphhBy3qadVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G_sIXok-1V8/UOoUrSM8oCI/AAAAAAAABHA/frhC1WSjEt4/s800/100_0838.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fTVwp-XOQ4UXQr4rVpsFn6dVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sr3efupktpU/UOoUs_I7dqI/AAAAAAAABHM/4BDoeH_MAN4/s800/100_0841.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

The blade as it sits:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/c1bLoLriQTgaxCjI2HJKTKdVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dqOp7EAPz_U/UOoUufyoPSI/AAAAAAAABHY/e0bKTf8NX1Y/s800/100_0846.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7sKI6diaX5HZ3T_tZJkNzqdVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RNJudSno_yk/UOoUvxgipDI/AAAAAAAABHk/o6IKofb0-1o/s800/100_0850.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

Now for the bevels :ph34r:/>

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i think mr Johnson would be proud to see others using his theroy for design.

 

i applied the idea with a design of my own (though not sword related it was a carbuncle crucifix) and was shocked at its simplicity. even though i did not fully understand the entire concept it made designing something rather complicated easier than if i would have used a type of measure.

 

infact the only measure i used was a circle 3 inches in diameter, and every other shape/form was created from that circle.

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This is great!

The sword looks very promising.

Have you tried other solutions for the length of the pommel? It seems to me it could be lengthened at least to meet the second inscribed square, perhaps more if it is shaped with a more narrow neck. -That is just me. You may well have another vision for the design.

 

It is fun to use this method, is it not? :-)

I am very glad you find it useful.

Even if it usefulness naturally does not prove the truth of its original use for sword design in the medieval period, it is still very good to see that others finds it to be an effective and practical method for design. It also happens to be a method that we know was used in other arts and crafts in the medieval period.

By applying this in the modern craft it allows a fresh perspective on the design process, if nothing else.

I think it allows us modern maker to put on "medieval glasses" when we approach the design of a new project.

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Thanks for the kind words guys! There's one surprise that I realized I didn't tell anyone about: the guard. To me, Style 12 guards are some of the most attractive, and when I first saw one totally bent around in a figure-eight like that of a katzbalger but on a longsword, I lost it. So, I'm thinking the guard is going to have a figure-eight shape kind of like a katzbalber's...figured some of you might be interested to know about this detail since the design doesn't show everything :P

 

Peter: I see what you mean (and I remember it irking me when I drew it up) about the pommel length. I looked and I can't find a solution to add those few millimeters, but I might just end up stretching it to there since at least it will still be geometrically-based (that's my rationalization). I will probably redraw the hilt anyway, since I also plan to make the pommel a little smaller in diameter as I currently have a piece of round stock that will fit one of the circles almost perfectly (the same one I used to determine the width of the grip at the guard), so I can see how everything looks then And yes, designing swords like this is a blast! It was weird realizing when I posted this that I don't remember touching a measuring tape to even find out the overall length...it almost made me feel closer to the bladesmiths of old who also never touched measuring tapes to design their swords. :ph34r:

 

Today there was some more progress! The bevels on one side are squared away, but the other side will have to wait until tomorrow:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WDMJOBzgn7D5pXVdbUogksWP6SeeMv5DNKNM1MVjg_g?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AIP1MvDSSxU/UOuCWL5KiXI/AAAAAAAABIE/VT8EQZuv6J8/s800/100_0863.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb02?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

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Jon, Peter's lecture from Arctic Fire is in the "Videos and Multimedia" section, though the videos don't work properly on my computer for some reason (anyone else have this problem?).

 

Alright so the other side has been ground with a few snags. First was edge thickness...I started with 3/16" stock, which in retrospect wasn't such a good idea, so the edges came out too thin, so I had to fix up the profile some which makes it about 1/4" smaller width-wise than the original design. Also at one point I slipped with the grinder and the result was a 30-minute wild goose chase to re-establish the centerline, which in turn caused a thin section about four or five inches from the base of the blade. So now the blade's a little whippier than I wanted, but that's life... :(

 

The edges are still probably too thin for the quench (like less than a dime's width in a few places) but I'll have to figure out my course of action later...

 

Anyway here's the second side all ground:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FK6bLee9zfUrnOLNeqQVO6dVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LeexwxQVSrQ/UOzUkWF2axI/AAAAAAAABIY/KKeWAz_l0T4/s800/100_0866.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

And another shot of the first side I ground:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/iZgWniqHk2c0nQf_kekTkqdVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EbUicdriOKI/UOzUmA9xKKI/AAAAAAAABIg/BlKPqD4MYW4/s800/100_0868.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

Here's the blade next to the original design:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vBluWmmlJgT-BnTS6cAXmKdVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NQUcQn7bPsg/UOzUnjjmMkI/AAAAAAAABIo/W-T7SfG0S7o/s800/100_0869.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

And here it is over the design. You can see how the width doesn't quite match the original's :unsure:

 

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JiPz81IReGOqgC_apYOEbadVAXdd06-FJJS_SST5VOo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cMLZVuGP8pk/UOzUppbujEI/AAAAAAAABIw/MSVE2twlHTs/s800/100_0870.JPG" height="600" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/AJChalifoux/OakeshottTypeXVIIIb?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Oakeshott Type XVIIIb</a></td></tr></table>

 

Tomorrow I will probably do some messing around with the tang...I measured the blade's width quick and it's a little over 1.5" but not quite 1.75"...

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Alright well the blade has been quenched and the warping was actually less than I expected. The edges were really thin (I mean like half a dime's width in a few places) but those didn't do anything funny, so there's just some warping along the spine in kind of gradual curves which I'll take out in tempering...However I did notice a bit of sabering in the blade. Not too bad but just enough that I want to give straightening it a go rather than just grind it out. Any recommendations on how to get rid of some mild sabering?

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Haven't updated this in a while, but here's where I am now: the blade is heat-treated and polished, the guard is formed though earlier when I was putting in the (literally) final bend, one of the quillions snapped off because there was a sharp radius formed from decorative filework and the steel was too cold...that was absolutely heartbreaking. Since I don't have time to make another before I leave for studying abroad (and I won't be back till mid-summer :ph34r: ) I'm off to find someone who can weld it up quick tomorrow... Anyway the pommel also has the slot for the tang formed and now I have to start shaping that.

 

The blade:

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The guard:

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Both together (the angle makes the tang look way longer than it really is...):

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And with the pommel:

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One more:

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Also, sorry for the terrible pics...

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Heat treating swords can be annoying, but I think it's something you just get used to...Once you do that heat treating most knives becomes a joke. ;)

 

The pommel is finished and both it and the guard are attached. Now for the grip...

 

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And a closeup of the hilt:

 

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