Caleb Harris Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Probably should have looked to do this a while back, but haven't gotten around to it as I have quite a bit of leaf spring. I'm looking to buy some steel, something I can practice welding with and maybe give a bit of a hamon. After looking around a bit, I'm considering getting a bit of 1084. Is this my best option? Is there another steel that would bring out a good pattern with it? From what I've seen, NJ steel baron seems to be the best place to get it, and I'm astonished by the price. http://newjerseysteelbaron.com/shop/1084/ Thoughts and advice? Thank you all so much, Caleb. Trying to make each knife just a little better than the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya W. Ward Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 If you're going to try to make hamon, go for 1075. 1084 has too much manganese to make a vibrant hamon. You can get a faint hamon with 1084, but you will never get one with any vibrance. 1075 is IMO the best steel for making hamon other than W2 because it's incredibly easy to heat treat. It's also an excellent pattern welding steel. <a href="http://darkfireforge.mymiddleearth.com/darkfire-forge/">Darkfire Forge</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Humber Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 From what I've seen, NJ steel baron seems to be the best place to get it, and I'm astonished by the price. Is this astonishment postitive or negative ? https://www.facebook.com/OfHiltAndHammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel J. Luevano Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Is this astonishment postitive or negative ? I'm sure it's positive, Aldo's steel is really good grade steel for really good prices compared to practically every other steel supplier out there by what I've seen. "Behold, I have created the smith who blows the fire of coals and produces a weapon for its purpose. I have also created the ravager to destroy;"-Isaiah 54:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Harris Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Is this astonishment postitive or negative ? Positive. Trying to make each knife just a little better than the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Harris Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 If you're going to try to make hamon, go for 1075. 1084 has too much manganese to make a vibrant hamon. You can get a faint hamon with 1084, but you will never get one with any vibrance. 1075 is IMO the best steel for making hamon other than W2 because it's incredibly easy to heat treat. It's also an excellent pattern welding steel.Is it very easy to weld? Trying to make each knife just a little better than the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Is it very easy to weld? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Harris Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 If you're going to try to make hamon, go for 1075. 1084 has too much manganese to make a vibrant hamon. You can get a faint hamon with 1084, but you will never get one with any vibrance. 1075 is IMO the best steel for making hamon other than W2 because it's incredibly easy to heat treat. It's also an excellent pattern welding steel. Yes. It turns out the thickest I can get 1084 (that they have in stock) is .15 of an inch thick. I did find some 1080 in square bar stock: should I go for that? Or should i still do the 1075, or both? Trying to make each knife just a little better than the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Harris Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Here's the link to the square bar they have: http://newjerseysteelbaron.com/shop/1080-square-bar-2/ Trying to make each knife just a little better than the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Where did you look? I saw 0.25" 1084 flat bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Harris Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Where did you look? I saw 0.25" 1084 flat bar...It said its out of stock. Trying to make each knife just a little better than the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya W. Ward Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Best thing to do is to just call him and see what they've got. <a href="http://darkfireforge.mymiddleearth.com/darkfire-forge/">Darkfire Forge</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Buford Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I called ALDO today and they do have small amounts of .25in thick 1084 available.I am ordering some 1075 and 1084 tomorrow. Caleb, take it from a beginner as well, when you get a good flat bar of .25in or less thickness "REAL" steel, your forging becomes that much better. I have three knives that I am finishing up that I forged out of a piece of 1084. You don't have to waste your time and energy flattening out a coil spring or trying to beat a leaf spring in to submission only to then actually begin to forge a knife. I have been there and done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEzell Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I'd suggest sticking with the 1084 for now, the 1075 Aldo has needs a very fast quench (brine or parks#50) to harden fully. 1084 is not so picky and hardens nicely in canola oil. You can get a hamon with 1084, but without as much detail and activity as a shallower hardening steel will give you. .15" thick is about right for most knives except kitchen knives (thinner) and big thick choppers. It is just right for hunters and edc's. George Ezell, bladesmith" How much useful knowledge is lost by the scattered forms in which it is ushered to the world! How many solitary students spend half their lives in making discoveries which had been perfected a century before their time, for want of a condensed exhibition of what is known."Buffonview some of my work RelicForge on facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Harris Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 I'd like to practice with welding and forging, but all they have in stock (other than the square) is .15" Trying to make each knife just a little better than the last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Buford Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Call also and talk with them they have it in stock just not on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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