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Jesse Frank

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I am reminded of societies "weapons" attitude though by things like my companies policy that you can't posses a sharp edged object of any kind on company property unless it's a company purchased tool. That includes pocket knives and what you may have in the trunk of your car. I also noticed that I can't get to this site from the computor on my desk because any site with "knife" or "blade" in the name is forbidden as is gambling sites and porn. Thats ok, they don't allow Bibles either.

 

A blade is a most useful tool whether cutting your steak or having to defend your family or country. It seems to me that any guilt associated with making one is itself a characteristic of the strangeness of todays society.

 

Besides, a piece of 3/4 inck round or 1 X 1/4 bar could do a number on a person even before I forge it, grind it, polish it, heat treat it, etch it and put a pretty handle on it. I'll bet the billit I've been welding up could lay some ones head wide open quicker than any knife I'll make from it.

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Someone sent this to me this morning from the BBC

 

Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

 

Doctors say knives are too pointed

A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to

reduce deaths from stabbing.

A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is

on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of

all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by

alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too

available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to

be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such

knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point

of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial

superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to

penetrate to inner organs.

 

Kitchen knives can inflict appalling wounds

In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting

into a ripe melon".

The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say

the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown

to carry weapons, primarily knives.

The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and

violent assault are long established.

French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and

street knives be ground smooth.

A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced

in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public

eating houses.

The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed

knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.

"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.

"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a

sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

Government response

Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive

restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a

public place, and the possession of knives in public without good

reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket

knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.

"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to

cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.

"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess

a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part

of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.

"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and

other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick

knives and gravity knives."

A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said:

"ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related

incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities

of enforcing such changes."

Don Fogg

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Ack, Don thats a scary report. It's sad when a society displaces blame regarding its own problems onto one of the vessels through which those problems may be transmitted or made visible. So much wasted time, effort, and money; if people and governments have an issue with violence, when will they start dealing with the actual issue and not its current physical manifestation??? Everything is a weapon. As long as humans continue to be clever tool using monkeys, there will be weapons.

 

And remember, Big Brother is watching

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Big brother isn't watching. he doesn't need to. In the era of cell phones, digital cameras (still and video), home sousveillance (watching yourself to protect yourself against false claims) and home surveillance (watching that someone else doesn't take your stuff), etc, we watch ourselves and our neighbors more than any government ever could; and we can report it fater and more accurately than ever. Their trick is making us feel like this makes us safe, and that snooping on those around you and reporting "suspicious" or "annoying behavior" to "authorities" is somehow to be commended.

 

 

I guess we'll have to revert back to using sticks as weapons...? but then, who's going to sue the Earth for allowing the tree to grow? I guess it doesn't matter because the tree was scheduled to be bulldozed for a WalMart anyway.... :(

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Kristopher Skelton, M.A.

"There was never a good knife made from bad steel"

A quiet person will perish ~ Basotho Proverb

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Funny, you make me want to keep a better eye on my neighbors :lol:

 

 

I'm just kidding Tai :) You make me want to leave scratches in my knives and move sompleace where I can use a charcoal forge without irritating the neighbors.

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Kristopher Skelton, M.A.

"There was never a good knife made from bad steel"

A quiet person will perish ~ Basotho Proverb

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Ack, Don thats a scary report. It's sad when a society displaces blame regarding its own problems onto one of the vessels through which those problems may be transmitted or made visible.  So much wasted time, effort, and money; if people and governments have an issue with violence, when will they start dealing with the actual issue and not its current physical manifestation??? Everything is a weapon. As long as humans continue to be clever tool using monkeys, there will be weapons.

 

And remember, Big Brother is watching

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Bravo!!!!

 

Indeed I am sure the same argument was made once about guns I'm sure, leading to this argument about knife as proof of its fallacy. Knifes become weapons because they're the most suitable object found to express the aggressive behavior of the assaillant at the time. Remove them, ban them, whatever, and the aggressor will just find the next best suitable object, which until we live in a complete vacuum there will never be a lack of!

Ah the stupidity! :(

 

The worse part is that it's right under our eyes for us to see. There are nations in the world where weapons (guns in this case) are common (US, Switzerland), nations where they are pretty much banned altogether (UK, Japan), oddly enough the crime rate does not follow the same lines, clearly not a correlation with weapon availability. :huh:

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....Just cuz you're paranoid doesn't mean They *aren't* out to get ya.... :-)

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I have suffered for My arts... Now it's your turn.

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It is indeed ironic that doctors would call for a ban on knives because of the injuries they cause:

 

"A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.

 

Source Article

 

Granted, the difference lies between the American medical system and that of England... but I suspect the numbers are basically the same. Doctors cause far more deaths than knives.

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It is indeed ironic that doctors would call for a ban on knives because of the injuries they cause:

Source Article

 

Granted, the difference lies between the American medical system and that of England... but I suspect the numbers are basically the same.  Doctors cause far more deaths than knives.

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Life causes death. :(

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I'm not at all worried about being paranoid. My worry is whether I'm paranoid *enough*.

 

Bureaucratic stupidity is epidemic.

 

Jimmy :angry:

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Hey One Whack,...You make me especially paranoid... :D

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Tai.... Life is an STD with a 100% Fatality rate :-D That's what's beautiful about it... Life's sick sense of humor :-)

I have suffered for My arts... Now it's your turn.

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J. Arthur,

I don't know if you've ever seen a doctor, but they also have a profound ability to save lives. Show me a knife that saves lives and I'll eat it (and the answer can't be "scalpels").

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Every knife can save your life. Happy munching. ;)

 

"Make a knife, Save a life"

WWII advertizing plea for civillians to make knives for soldiers.

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Many are chosen, but few are Pict!

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Doctors can do LOTS of harm...but they can also do lots of good. I honestly dont like going to the doctor, I try to take care of Myself -- for illnesses through preventive techniques, and when situations call for to get patched up.

 

I'm VERY wary of alot of the new "wonder-drugs" coming out, with regards to psychological and some physiological problems...I feel a good deal treat the symptoms too much without treating the cause, and build dependancy..however used right I think they can help. I still feel we're in an infancy stage in understanding modern medicines fully., and it can only be TRUELY useful if propor preventive techniques, as well as lifestyle changes to help the problems fix themselves while using drugs as a TEMPORARY help. I think many drugs are definately over-used and abused, out of lazieness, lack of knowledge, and in some rare cases, greed -- but thats another rant all together..

 

However...for other cases, I'd trust an EMT or doctor ALOT more to save My life should I be badly shot/cut up, than My own duct tape and superglue methods. The main problem is I think people rely too heavily on doctors to do the impossible..they can fix ALOT of stuff, but I think they can't do it all- prevention is better. Take care of yourself, rather than have to take heart pills or get a transplant later. Understand your emotional/psychological problems and try to work them out slowly with or without drugs, before trying to use drugs as a permanant solution. Or learning to avoid violence/minimize it's effects on you, or workplace safety hazards with powertools and the like, before you rush in needing to be patched up.

 

most any modern medicine *IS* a poisen, just in small doses. Far as I can figure out, (not that I'm an expert), but I think the idea is to kill off the ailment with the medicine before it kills you. Of course, in reality, everything is poisenous. I think this needs to be firmly understood, especially in medicine, to create more effective, less collaterally damaging, cures.

 

One of the main problems, in My opinion, lies in where our culture came from/is going.. America without a doubt is a FAST developing country.it went from a colony of people who were looked upon by the current reigning superpower (the british) as basically slaves, to dominant world superpower in a couple hundred years. In the grand scheme of things, that's blindingly fast.. As a result, I think the *I want a QUICK fix NOW* mindset is kind of built in to most people here. The problem is, quick fixes are just that, quick and DIRTY, and seldom offer long term problem-solving. I think People need to focus more on what causes the problems and how to prevent those, first. And that's My mini-rant of the day :-D

I have suffered for My arts... Now it's your turn.

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If you think America's development is fast, compare it to any far eastern third world country. India, for example. Fifty years ago they were a colony, today they have every bit of technology we do, and their education system is many times better.

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That is very true, too. Though India is also alot older than the US. I'd be very interested to learn what India's medical system is like. Time for some googleing!

I have suffered for My arts... Now it's your turn.

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Maybe we are taking this a little out of context. I think the point was that more people die by the hand of a doctor than get stabbed by the knives we make. Meaning the count is very low. Should an auto worker feel guility about making cars because someone may commit vehicular homicide with one? Sounds rediculous when put that way, does it not?

 

I remember our rationale used to be, "More stabbings occur with common kitchen knives than handmades." Looks like someone took that statement to heart. Talk about something comming back to bite you in the butt!

 

On the butt , in the back, thru the back door, guilt, fear, terror. No tactic is too low. DO NOT BUY IT! The main goal is to disarm the public. An unarmed people are easy to control.

Many are chosen, but few are Pict!

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