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So i finally got this one going. I need to do some final adjustments and drill my pin holes and this guy is ready to glue up.

 

The liner is 3/16" micarta

Goncalo Alves scales

Deer bone spacer

wrought iron spacer

Mystery steel guard

red vulcanized paper spacers

 

and soon to be nickel/silver 5/32 pins x 6


It wasnt so hard after i got it all put together but... well see how she turns out!

Thanks Mr States!

 

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Looks pretty good Gabriel. You are well on your way to adding a new design to your repertoire.

I am curious as to how you kept the scales and frame together for the shaping without pinning them first.

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

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I scored them and epoxied them together. Ive done this lazily for a few things and added the pins later. Works great unless you drop the handle on concrete floor and they shear apart :9

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Make sure you measure your pins and the drill bit you will use. I have had bad luck with NS pins being the size advertised, as well as drill bits running oversized. A bit tends to drill a tiny bit larger than nominal, and I've had some NS pin stock that only corresponded to the advertised diameter if you reckon size by eye in the dark while drunk.

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when i purchased the ns pins i bought like 15 of them and the drill bit to match at the same time... Ive used them in tandum several times. Just not lately as i prefer working with larger pins now for some reason. I did make the error of also ordering some SS pins the same exact size... and they are almost impossible to tell them apart lol. I think ill have to use 1/8 or some different size for the SS pins in the future :P

 

thanks for the advice! I have tons of scrap wood i usually use to do a test dry fit in stuff before i start drilling in my knife handles with unknown stuffs.

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oh, i toyed with the idea of embellishing on the coffin some how for practice and for fun. Whether thats carving or inlaying or whatever I have no clue... but I did think about it :D

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So I figured I would give this a try, it came out better then I expected. During this build I finally realized that since I do this as a hobby there is no need to hurry to get it done. Started to take my time. I think I'm gonna build a few more of this type because I really like this style.

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I know there is alot of little things that could be improved and tightened up with my fit. But over all I am really proud of this one. It was a tough build.

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A fine first attempt Gavin. You can now add this style to your available techniques and they will get better with every knife you make.

What were the toughest parts of the build?

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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Well this is the first project I have made a guard for. I thought that would be the hardest part. In reality that wasn't that bad it was getting everything lined up for the frame itself. The funny thing is with this one, the things I thought would be hard turned out relatively easy. But, the things I thought would be easy like the pins for the frame, turned out to be a challenge. For the life of me I couldn't get everything lined up and clamped to drill. So I took Gabriel's idea and glued everything first. Worked decent, but I think I broke three drill bits, and rounded out two of the four pin holes. Haha, definitely not the breeze I thought it would be.

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Gabriel and Gavin:

The trick to getting the frame and scales pinned up and fit tight is to make a template of the handle complete with pin holes.

See: http://www.bladesmithsforum.com/index.php?showtopic=32899&page=2(I told you I posted the method on the forum)

Then clamp the template to the piece that will become the frame and drill the holes. Drill a hole and put a sacrificial pin in place.

(I use brass rod from ACE Hardware. It's inexpensive and doesn't heat up when sanding the handle.)

Drill all the holes and pin it as you go. Then scribe the outside line of the template, remove the template, and rough grind the frame to shape. The only finished part is the edge tips that fit against the spacer.

Then prepare the scales into flat blocks and mark the left inside and the right inside. Now line up the end with the finished tips of the frame and clamp the frame to a handle scale. Now drill the holes and pin them as you go and mark the outside line of the frame on the handle scale. Do the other scale the same way. Now rough cut the excess off the scales and pin the scales to the frame. Now finish grind and sand the handle to shape.

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg

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Well post them up! im about to post my 2nd frame handle attempt as soon as i polish out this rust for the last time.. the blade flash rusted on my while the handle was drying

doh'

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So, I had wanted to do this project and I finally made a frame handle.
I would call this a fighter. The frame is steel, the liners are brass and the bolsters are brazed to the frame.
The pins are bronze and the slabs are bocote.
The whole thing is a real challenge and there are some issues with it.
I am very happy with the fit up though which is tight.
Both the guard and the handle to the guard.

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That turned out really nice JJ. That is a LOT of file work too...

Thanks. It wasn't too bad. Used a checkering file so that helped out a bit..

I will say that doing this makes the fit up really easy. A file guide on the end of the frame and just bump it against the grinder and it is flat.

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Gabriel: That's a very nice looking knife bud! Your work has made considerable progress in the last year. Looking good man.

 

JJ: That's a really nice piece too. Very "antique" looking in design. Nice embellishments.

 

I'm really glad we started this thread. It seems to have gotten folks to push themselves to try new techniques.

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“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg

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I got to play with JJ's knife at Ashokan, and the pics don't come close to doing it justice. It has domed pins on an angled surface, for cryin' out loud! And it's VERY clean.

Sweet!

It also looks like it fits in his hand, so it must be like, short sword sized...........

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“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg

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For clarity: I have never seen JJ's hands in person.

So any comments I may make about them should neither be construed as fact, nor taken seriously. :blink:

They certainly are not intended to offend.

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“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg

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Anyone up for another challenge project?

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“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg

J.States Bladesmith | Facebook

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https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith

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