Alex Middleton Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I tried annealing a few blades that way, and had nothing but problems afterwards. I forget the chemistry of it, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in certain types of steel it causes carbides to clump together and form super hard spots scattered throughout the blade. I was burning through a ton of drill bits as I was trying to drill pin holes. Based on the advice I was given here, now I just normalize the blade before doing any grinding/drilling and I haven't had any issues since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 What Alex said. Slow-cooling 5160 forms what's called a lamellar anneal, in which the carbides form in sheets rather than spheres. This will eat drill bits and belts for lunch. Just normalize and then overtemper to around 800-900 degrees F and it'll be as soft as it's gonna get with low-tech methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreg Whitehead Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alan Longmire said: What Alex said. Slow-cooling 5160 forms what's called a lamellar anneal, in which the carbides form in sheets rather than spheres. This will eat drill bits and belts for lunch. Just normalize and then overtemper to around 800-900 degrees F and it'll be as soft as it's gonna get with low-tech methods. It skates a file pretty much just like a fully hardened blade...was like wth. My house oven only goes to 500 or so. I can give it a go in the forge with a muffle and probe.....is 30 min or so gonna cut it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Just normalize as usual, then do what Jerrod says not to and use temper colors. Shine it up a little and run the colors past blue into gray until they disappear. You're not aiming at a color that corresponds to a hardness, you're just trying to overtemper it, one instance where the colors are just the sort of rough estimate that's needed. You can do it in the forge and muffle if you want, it's not that important. You want it hot, but not hot enough to glow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrod Miller Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Alan Longmire said: Just normalize as usual, then do what Jerrod says not to and use temper colors. Shine it up a little and run the colors past blue into gray until they disappear. You're not aiming at a color that corresponds to a hardness, you're just trying to overtemper it, one instance where the colors are just the sort of rough estimate that's needed. You can do it in the forge and muffle if you want, it's not that important. You want it hot, but not hot enough to glow. OK, Alan has found an exception to the rule. Or more precisely, the rule is "Don't use 'temper colors' to judge temperature or effectiveness for tempering martensite." No martensite here, so you're safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 I looked into the new garage which will become the new shop area (while we wait for a detached shop to be built) and all I could think of was...…. Someday son, all this will be yours...…... 1 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Dougherty Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 A number of things have kept me away from the forge since December. I've been working on a few blades in progress, but hadn't lit a fire since the week before Christmas. Today I got started on a new 10" chef's knife. Only the first weld/draw so it's at 11 layers on its way to 275 for laddering. -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreg Whitehead Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Got a handle on a blade I am giving my bff. I am diggin this blade style/shape. The one with 4 pins I will probably keep....the pins arent uniform sided to side. I am done with a hand drill.....blew the dust off my ol mans drill press. I think the brown handle one is going up for sale. I got a bunch of grinding done on the kukri.....but its not done yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerhard Gerber Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Frustration I spent the best part of Saturday working on a sheath, Kydex covered with leather. I texted the future owner to make sure he's right-handed, and 4pm the afternoon I was rubbing in my handy work with oil when I realised.....left-handed sheath Started a new sheath Sunday afternoon, and the press went very well.....better than the first. Finished up the sheath yesterday afternoon, only to find that for some strange reason there's room for the blade to move (rattles) and the retention is too good.....he'd pull his pants up to his chin before the knife comes out. I hate making sheaths, and these have been a complete and utter waste of expensive materials and time........and the guy wants his knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Dougherty Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Just keep punching Gerhard About a year ago I was just finishing the stitching on a sheath when I realized I accidentally made it left handed. I'm sort of glad to hear I'm not the only one... -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreg Whitehead Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Gotta a couple blades close to handle ready...and ordered some scales today. Super diggin this birds eye maple. I must be getting a little faster I knocked this blade out after work the last two days. My first blade it seemed like it took a month of sundays. lol....probably because it did. Think I need to do one of those frame handle dealios on my big bowie ...keep breaking handles swinging it like a ape on roids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 3:54 AM, Gerhard said: Frustration I spent the best part of Saturday working on a sheath, Kydex covered with leather. I texted the future owner to make sure he's right-handed, and 4pm the afternoon I was rubbing in my handy work with oil when I realised.....left-handed sheath Started a new sheath Sunday afternoon, and the press went very well.....better than the first. Finished up the sheath yesterday afternoon, only to find that for some strange reason there's room for the blade to move (rattles) and the retention is too good.....he'd pull his pants up to his chin before the knife comes out. I hate making sheaths, and these have been a complete and utter waste of expensive materials and time........and the guy wants his knife. The first time I had to make a left-handed sheath, for some reason it rattled me and I over thought it. I already had a pattern so I figured all I had to do was flip the pattern over. Just before I started the cutting some little brain gremlins said, "WAIT VERN, if you're going to cut a sheath backwards your going to have to cut the leather from the OTHER side because everything is reversed." By the time I got done .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted June 18, 2018 Author Share Posted June 18, 2018 It's actually starting to look like there's a smithy here somewhere...…. 2 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathewKellerKinmond Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 2/8/2016 at 10:27 AM, Caleb Harris said: Today was warm (75+) and sunny, and my brother and I had a craving to go sailing so spent the early part of the afternoon putting together a makeshift tiller, rudder, and daggerboard in my shop, then tried it out on the local lake until dark. No knifemaking (I need more propane and belts), but it was nice all the same im in the same boat....pun intended lol. as for my shop, currently trying to build up tools ive been neglecting to make due to the unpredictable weather here in Ontario. as well as buying some more professional equipment to get ready to start a business in BC when I move there this winter! which is going to be an amazing background for my new photos of knives and daily forging! yes im buying a house that HAS to have some sort of workshop or barn off of it. wifey approved. im hoping to be well off enough with the black/bladesmithing to be able to employ her part time as an assistant and accountant. maybe with even greater luck get her interested in the craft itself. im very happy to be apart of this forum and see so many new faces since I last logged in here. (took a couple years off moving and schooling) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, MathewKellerKinmond said: maybe with even greater luck get her interested in the craft itself. Careful there Matthew. Sharing a shop with another smith is one thing, sharing a shop with your spouse...…..well, that's something too. Kidding aside, best of luck with the search and business. 1 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerhard Gerber Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Well, the knife is done, the sheath is done, and the money should be in the bank later today. Just a few sales made a nice contribution to my income, nothing spectacular, but it helps..... Picked up 8 knives from the laser engraving yesterday, their owners dropped them off and I was pleasantly surprised by the performance, just the rust issue that poked it's nose out again......not sure what to do about that.. I'm inspired by what I see here to up my game, coming right with my grinder and I hope to forge weld something a little special this weekend.......but... There's a massive cold front hitting on Monday, long overdue since we're past the solstice and we haven't had real Winter....minimum 7C-10C and in the 20C's during the day...... .......and I woke up with a throat on fire .......so maybe nothing happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Ward Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Made a overdue and much needed upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Congrats. What do you plan for the other spindle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Ward Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Not a clue, other than to keep things and myself away from it. Really don't want to visit hospitals unexpectedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 This weekend I finished wiring the temporary shop (the garage) and replaced the VFD on my KMG grinder. Just a few more boxes to unpack and I should be able to get back in the saddle. 1 1 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreg Whitehead Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Finished grinding on the kukri with 36 grit yesterday. Gonna hit it with my trizacts that arrived today. Profiled and ground a smaller kitchen blade yesterday. Gonna HT and quench it tonight with any luck at all. My blade from the sand paper thread turned out pretty good. I am not sure what those lines were from but they buffed right out. Think I am feeling some carbon fiber scales for the bowie.....if I ever get that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joël Mercier Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Not much but I fitted a bolster and began the endless handle filing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/1/2018 at 6:08 PM, Mike Ward said: Not a clue, other than to keep things and myself away from it. Really don't want to visit hospitals unexpectedly I'd think about a wire wheel for removing forge scale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Camper Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 10 hours ago, Joël Mercier said: Not much but I fitted a bolster and began the endless handle filing Hey, Last time I did a hidden tang I tried something different. Marked off my tang on the side of my wood. Used a drill press vice to clamp the wood at an angle so that the drill bit ran parallel one side of the tang profile I drew. Drilled one side, then the other with slightly oversized bit Took a coping saw and cut the wood between the 2 holes away. Fastest hidden tang I ever fitted. This wouldn't have worked for the base of your handle, but you may have been able to do the top piece of wood that way, then just glued the wood together and ran a drill bit through the perfect top piece and just hogged the bottom out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Boggs Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I used my forge at ABANA and since I had to reassemble it, I stopped to take a photo of the bed in raw form. There's several ways to use a side blast, this is the method I learned, fill the box with dirt level to where you want the iron to sit and then scoop out a hollow. In this photo, I've just started the hollow, when I'm finished, the sides will be sloped. I try to have the top 3 inches from the center of the tuyere. <p>Gerald Boggs <a href="http://www.geraldboggs.com">www.geraldboggs.com</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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