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I've been reading yall's post on iron and steel making. My wife's gonna be mad but I got to try it :banghead: . More toys, I mean equipment to build. This is what I love about bladesmithing, it keeps branching out into other areas, always something new to learn :261: , keeps it exciting. Sorry for the detour, back to the subject. I've read some of Al Pendray's articles on wootz and was wondering if anybody else was using Sorel iron to make wootz. If so whose your supplier? If not what other type iron can be used to make wootz?

 

Thanks,

Chris

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sorel isn't necessary...

 

you could simply add the ingredients up separately..... eg) put iron, carbon, and some ferro vanadium... in a sealed crucible ...... and fire it...

 

there are many way to get there...

 

- or use a cast iron of know carb level..... cut it with some crap iron to lower the overal carb..... and add a small piece of steel with V in it... eg) like some HSS steels.

 

 

I think the reason for sorel was that it had a little V already in it.. ....

 

 

look on this site...... theres a tutorial that Ric did ..... its a good one on it..

 

 

Greg

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Hi Chris.

Mr. Obach is one of the world's leading authorities on all things wootz. He'll deny it, but he's a goldmine of information. :)

 

Greg,

I know it's heresy, but have you tried using niobium in place of vanadium yet? It's a lot easier to get than ferro vanadium. Uptakes like butter on a hotcake. Serious carbide former.

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Thanks for the information. I found this link on this site. It has a lot of information to digest. I wish had paid more attention in Chemistry class.

 

Wootz formula

 

Thanks again,

Chris

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I noticed the crap steel in both posts but wasn't sure. Thank you Mr. Obach for sharing your knowledge. After reading your tutorial, its starting to make a little more sense.

Do you have any more tutorials posted elsewhere? Also, You mentioned in the tutorial you were writing a paper on your furnace, I was wondering if it was posted anywhere?

 

Thanks again, :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Chris

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theres lotsa good folks out there making it..

 

i'll put up some links

 

just have to translate the site with babelfish

 

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/life.html

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/knife73.html

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/knife74.html

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/knife78.html

 

http://www.dfoggknives.com/photogallery/wo...cesscontent.htm

Ric's process

 

http://www.7knifedwarfs.com/aw/

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/Bulat-Achim.html

Achim's site

 

theres more.....I still can't find my fav tutorial by Vassiliy Fursy... very cool stuff

 

anyhow... ... makin the furnace isn't a big deal.... just have to design it around the crucible that your gonna be using..... and be sure to have a big blower for the burner.. -- ofcourse theres more... but you have to work within your means

 

I'll check some more..... for links....

 

Greg

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Vasilliy Fursy's tutorial

- need to translate with babelfish

 

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/Bulat.html

 

I just heard back from him recently.... and he says hes fired a pile and will have some new pic's up in a month or so..

 

http://www.geocities.com/qasruf7/bulat.html

 

honestly.. i'm gonna have to take some pic's of the process.... it's nothing spectacular.... just waiting around a little furnace for a cup of steel to become molten... ... with an erie white glow coming out of the exhaust port.... then occasionally staring in the port with arc welding goggles to see if the charge has settled down.... burning your eyebrows and nose hairs off..... .. massive roar of the burner..... like a turbine...

 

heh heh.... I got the itch to melt something now.. :ylsuper:

 

Greg

 

 

 

I got a question for you...... since your looking into making wootz..... what is the difficult part in starting out.... ? What do you find is holding you back...

 

maybe we can put together a tutorial and smooth out this wrinkle abit... ?

 

I've often wondered why more people aren't making it... .. maybe there is a hurdle that isn't obvious ..

Edited by Greg Thomas Obach

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Thanks again Mr. Obach for the time and information. To answer your question on the hurdle. I guess the biggest hurdle for me is the thousands of questions that wait at every step of a new adventure, ie . equipment design and size, materials to use and not to use, temps, times, weights of raw materials. The tutorial and the paper that you wrote has gone a long way to answering most of the questions. I'm trying to decide on a furnace now, looking at Mr. Gingery's.

 

Thanks again,

 

Chris

 

P.S. If you ever decide to write a book on wootz, in the spirt of the complete bladesmith, I'd like to buy the first copy.

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I got a question for you...... since your looking into making wootz..... what is the difficult part in starting out.... ?    What do you find is holding you back... 

 

maybe we can put together a tutorial and smooth out this wrinkle abit... ?

 

I've often wondered why more people aren't making it... .. maybe there is a hurdle that isn't obvious ..

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Speaking for myself, it's the long, metered cool down and the lack of a press or power hammer.

 

I would love to make some, but those pucks are hard to get moving. You've got to watch the forging temps so you can't cheat.

P.S. If you ever decide to write a book on wootz, in the spirt of the complete bladesmith, I'd like to buy the first copy.

 

An excellent idea. Clean up all your tutorials and publish them. :35:

You can use the profits to build a new shop and make more :D

Seriously though, good idea.

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ha ha... thanks guys.. I'm just a big blabber mouth when it comes to wootz.. ..

 

if folks don't start to publish something on it.... I just may cobble together some kinda article

 

 

I suspected that it maybe the furnace that is the bottle neck.. ... you just have to repeat my little mantra " if it was done before by men , then I can do it " .....

- if the Indians smith could melt steel with charcoal, so can you !

- just takes abit of a learning curve

 

 

i'll see if I can put together a tutorial on my wee little furnace.... .. theres not much to it.. ... its basically a high temp forge with a clay graphite pot in it..

 

there so much exciting " steel making " going on lately... from bloom smelting to thermit... Its fantastic so many knowledgeable people are sharing

 

thanks guys :ylsuper:

 

Greg

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