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Hi Everyone.

I recently stumbled upon an online bladesmith's version of Dr John Verhoeven's Book 

Metallurgy of Steel for Bladesmiths & Others who Heat Treat and Forge Steel 

In the preface he has kindly given permission for non-financial-gain download and printing of this amazingly instructive book:

"My professional career has been supported by publicly funded institutions. Therefore, I grant any user copyright permission to download and print a copy of this book for personal use or any teacher to do the same for their students. I do not grant rights to the text for commercial uses. The copyrights to all figures with citations belong to the original publishers. Copyright permissions were obtained for inclusion of these figures."

The book can be found in PDF format here. Our thanks to Dr Verhoeven for this amazing gift.

Hope you all find it as useful and interesting as I have.

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Thanks for finding that, Charles.  It is an excellent book!  I'm glad Dr. Verhoeven has given permission for this.   The first time the pdf version came around he had not, and there was some grumbling.  

I highly recommend everyone here read it.  It makes the stuff some of us say about heat treating much more understandable.

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No problem. Owen Bush told me about the book Steel Metallurgy for the Non-Metallurgist, and it was while I was searching for a copy less than a £100 that I found this one.

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On 7/29/2017 at 7:35 AM, Charles dP said:

Hi Everyone.

I recently stumbled upon an online bladesmith's version of Dr John Verhoeven's Book 

Metallurgy of Steel for Bladesmiths & Others who Heat Treat and Forge Steel 

In the preface he has kindly given permission for non-financial-gain download and printing of this amazingly instructive book:

"My professional career has been supported by publicly funded institutions. Therefore, I grant any user copyright permission to download and print a copy of this book for personal use or any teacher to do the same for their students. I do not grant rights to the text for commercial uses. The copyrights to all figures with citations belong to the original publishers. Copyright permissions were obtained for inclusion of these figures."

The book can be found in PDF format here. Our thanks to Dr Verhoeven for this amazing gift.

Hope you all find it as useful and interesting as I have.

HI Charles do you have another way to access this? It seems it's not working... Maybe Dropbox or Google drive? Thanks! 

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42 minutes ago, Paul Checa said:

I have some lite reading for this quarantine

 

You must be a lot smarter than I.  I hardly consider that "lite reading". :D

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How old is that source?  My understanding is that the copyright for [i]Metallurgy for the Non-Metallurgist[/i] belongs to ASM International not John Verhoeven.  Also I agree that the book is a little pricey but I'd like to see the money go to the publisher and thus to the author.  Could be wrong, heck I've been married three times, but just saying.

 

Doug

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I just failed to edit the above entry so I'll tag on another entry.  I just stopped being lazy and dug out my copy of the book from a pile one the floor and took a look inside.  The face page, or whatever it's called, states "Copyright 2007 by ASM International, All rights reserved".  So unless that work that is posted on the net that Dr. Verhoeven gave permission to use for non-commercial purposes is significantly different from the book, I'd say downloading it is a copyright violation.

 

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Exactly.  We played copyright cops for a few years befire Dr. Verhoeven added that statement. I even bought the ASM hard copy.  The figures are a little different, as are minor text entries, thus with author permission for noncommercial use the download is not a copyright issue. 

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And Blessed I feel for sure, Alan.  I believe in copyright laws...............and as a artist mine have been violated and it ticks me off!   I could never have afforded to pay the street price for this book and have to admit it will be a long time before I'll be able to read and understand it, but feel fortunate to have it so when I get to a point where it'll all make sense I'll have it.

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Yes, that book is pricy.  I went to Amazon just to check it out and the second edition is $188.  My point on the permission  that John Verhoeven gave for the online version of the original book may not longer be his to give.  He no longer owns the copyright.  You all have to do what you think is right; just giving my opinion.

 

Doug

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I got that info from Howard Clark, a friend and collaborator of Dr. Verhoeven, AFTER the ASM version came out.  I would think if ASM were that concerned we'd have gotten a cease-and-desist by now.  And the first edition was $80.  It's sort of like the textbook industry.  Get a professor to make a text required reading, charge $400 for it, and put out a new edition every other year with just different enough info that the previous edition can't be used on the supplied testing materials.  Then offer $5 for the buyback at the end of the semester, and resell for $400.  I truly approve of copyright. I do not approve of gaming the system the way the publishers do.  It is totally legal for the author to offer the first draft (or any other modification) for noncommercial use, regardless of the publisher's opinion, provided there are differences in the content. In this case there are.  You want the ASM second edition? Pay full price.  You want the original? Here you go.

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I'm not sure about textbooks but dealing with medical and research journals who behave just as sleazy as the textbooks. Those if you are nice about it you can send a email to the author and they might sell it to you super cheap or free. This is not every author but a lot just want their info out there and they usually make essentially zero money off their published work. Copyright can be weird in that the publisher holds the copyright by permission of the original creator. It really depends on the contract that was signed for publication vs what is allowed by default by the laws. I know for some textbooks the free online version is the book has expired from copyright or the original authors posted it. The not for commercial use is probably how they can release it but not violate contract or law.

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NO, I have no intention of buying the second edition.  That's almost half of what I will need to buy a new leg vice to replace the one that was stolen from me.  Just to make sure, I'm going to give the local pawn shop a check to see if any of my stolen tools have made it there.  As far as the book goes it would be nice to buy a copy if it fits into your budget so Dr. Verhoeven can get some money out of his work but $188 is outrageous.  I feel sorry for the college kids who will be required to purchase it as a text.

 

Doug

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