Zeb Camper Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) I have decided on my magical edged weapon. The kusarigama was a modified farming tool used by the Shinobi or "ninja". It is comprised of a syth type blade called a "kama" and handle with a long rope or chain either attached to the blade or handle of the weapon. On the other end of the chain, a heavy weight was used to destract, strike, and disarm an enemy whilst his kama served as the finishing blow, but could also entrap an enemy's pole arm with it's sharp nook in the blade. Nothing has more mythical mysterious lure than the ninja, so it fits. I will have a design drawn up soon and will start construction ASAP. If this is not allowed please forgive me, and just say so. Edited January 2, 2018 by Zeb Camper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles dP Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Looks cool Zeb. Just can’t trade the kusarigama with anyone from the UK. They are banned from owning here, not just carrying "The way we win matters" (Ender Wiggins) Orson Scott Card Nos qui libertate donati nescimus quid constat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Camper Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Charles du Preez said: Looks cool Zeb. Just can’t trade the kusarigama with anyone from the UK. They are banned from owning here, not just carrying Shoot, I'm sorry Charles, I didn't even think of laws.... I rarely do I'll change it I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joël Mercier Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Stupid UK laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles dP Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Joël Mercier said: Stupid UK laws Yar. I would love to make a full set one day but I can’t . There is a pdf on the bottom of this page if anyone is interested/wants to be depressed. The list is on page 9, with an important ‘defence’ for us at the bottom of page 10. "The way we win matters" (Ender Wiggins) Orson Scott Card Nos qui libertate donati nescimus quid constat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles dP Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 If the KITH powers could make some allowances for the draw, I would love to see you make those @Zeb Camper "The way we win matters" (Ender Wiggins) Orson Scott Card Nos qui libertate donati nescimus quid constat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Silas Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Good gravy, I'd be a felon a thousand times over with what's in my home. Not even counting the guns.... amazing that I've managed not to become a danger to the general public.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles dP Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jonathan Silas said: Good gravy, I'd be a felon a thousand times over with what's in my home. Not even counting the guns.... amazing that I've managed not to become a danger to the general public.... Yeah but anybody who likes weapons must surely be a ticking time bomb "The way we win matters" (Ender Wiggins) Orson Scott Card Nos qui libertate donati nescimus quid constat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Blohm Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Charles du Preez said: Yeah but anybody who likes weapons must surely be a ticking time bomb Would a spear be illegal in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Blohm Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I did a quick search and found zombie knives were illegal but no mention of a spear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles dP Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Hmmm. Interesting point. I haven’t seen it I mentioned so I suppose it’s not illegal. Other than the ‘banned’ list, I believe you can have bladed ‘weapons’ as long an they are not in a public place. So you can collect and keep them. "The way we win matters" (Ender Wiggins) Orson Scott Card Nos qui libertate donati nescimus quid constat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jeremy Blohm said: Would a spear be illegal in the UK "But what if he attacks you with a pointed stick?" "Getting all High and Mighty are we? Fresh fruit not good enough for you?". "England - where Great Britain used to be." My sympathy to its subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Charles du Preez said: Looks cool Zeb. Just can’t trade the kusarigama with anyone from the UK. They are banned from owning here, not just carrying I think there is a loophole here. The definition in the document is: (l) the weapon sometimes known as a “kusari gama”, being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one end to a sickle; So don't attach the two parts and you do not have the weapon as defined. “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles dP Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Interesting thought Joshua. IIRC that would make it a “kama” instead of kusari gama. It might work. I’ll let you know 6 months after the draw if it doesn’t Edited January 2, 2018 by Charles du Preez Auto incorrect "The way we win matters" (Ender Wiggins) Orson Scott Card Nos qui libertate donati nescimus quid constat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Blohm Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 16 hours ago, Zeb Camper said: These would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Joshua States said: I think there is a loophole here. The definition in the document is: (l) the weapon sometimes known as a “kusari gama”, being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one end to a sickle; So don't attach the two parts and you do not have the weapon as defined. While it may be fun to sit in the armchair and speculate about legal issues, taking the advice of anyone who isn't a lawyer, from the internet, is not particularly good idea. With the limits of the medium many might take a humorous aside seriously. I very much doubt that the powers that be, across the pond, have a broader view of individual rights or benefit of the doubt than we in the US have. To draw a parallel in the US, quite often the BATFE has made a case against an individual based on the priciple of "constructive possession". It is not, for instance, illegal to own any of the individual parts one COULD use to make a "silencer" without proper Federal permit, but if one has all of the parts in one's possession, the tools to assemble them and their bookshelf contains, (or their computer shows visits to a site about) "how to make a silencer from common materials" the Powers can get them a long vacation at the Graydoor bed & breakfast. No matter how many episodes of "Matlock" one has seen it does happen in the real world. For people in the US they can look up "BATFE abuses" and bear in mind they are more Draconian overseas. Not trying to be a jerk here but I have seen bad things happen to folks who thought they "found a loophole" or have taken a whimsical suggestion seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Camper Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Ok, I guess it's settled. Guess I'll just make a pair of kamas. Not quite as cool, but whatever... Dumb laws . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Camper Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 I got my first draft done. There may be some changes. Either way, I can start on the blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Jonathan Silas said: That's always chapped my A$$, I have a penis, and am stronger than the average woman, and have a box van available at work. The three together do not a rapist make. Constructive possession, and asset forfeiture with out a court order are some Very dark marks against our legal system. Easy to sit inside the protections and freedoms our system preserves for us and complain that "this" or "that" isn't perfect but there are a heck of a lot of people from most other systems trying like heck to get into the US and there isn't a giant exodus going the other way. Too often people become obsessed with a focus on a particular flaw, as if they expect something created by Man to be perfect, and this view is used to divide us based upon which "bugs" us the most, as opposed to uniting us in respect for what we have. It is good to guard against infringement and our Founders expected us to and made it our responsibility to do so but in many cases of constructive possession there have been freedoms protected. Does Law Enforcement have to watch a bomber detonate a device before they can prove he was, in fact, creating a bomb? There is a gradient there where it is impossible to write specific laws and limits without actually making more routes for evil folks to succeed. There are also cases of abuse by authorities. It's the human element that makes or breaks it. It will be that way as long as we are humans. Oh well, how about this KITH theme, plenty of room for expression wouldn't you say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Silas Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Zeb Camper said: I got my first draft done. There may be some changes. Either way, I can start on the blades. Zeb, first off sorry for filling your post with politics, I apologize it wasn't my intention to get so off track. Second having never handled one of these before I'm having a hard time picturing the profile. Is the blade flat in the "tang" area or is it rolled like some of the neo tribal one piece knives and some of the socketed spear heads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Camper Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, Jonathan Silas said: Zeb, first off sorry for filling your post with politics, I apologize it wasn't my intention to get so off track. Second having never handled one of these before I'm having a hard time picturing the profile. Is the blade flat in the "tang" area or is it rolled like some of the neo tribal one piece knives and some of the socketed spear heads? Thanks for your service! I've never handled one either, but as far as I know the blade is flat, and it has sort of a tang. It has a furrell usually. Edited January 4, 2018 by Zeb Camper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Like many of the weapons thought of as "Japanese" ( nunchaku, tonfa, sai, bo) the kama is a farming tool from the Ryukyu islands, today referred to as Okinawa . During the Japanese invasion and occupation during the era of the Samurai the people of the Ryukyus, with help from sympathetic Chinese, developed their own "empty hand" arts and learned to use farm tools in their struggles against the invaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Camper Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Vern, I have to respectively disagree. The kama has always been a japanese farming tool. One source I read from said it was japan that introduced the tool to Okinawa. Edit: Make that 2 sources. I'll do some more research to be sure. You are correct about the rest though. The kama was used throughout asia though. Not just Japan, or Okinawa. Edit#2: just found a conflicting source... It states the same as what you have said. But... It also says that the use of the kama as a weapon quickly spread to japan in plenty of time for the ninjas of the mainland to have used. Edited January 3, 2018 by Zeb Camper trying to get facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vern Wimmer Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Find a copy of "Zen Combat" by Jay Gluck. It was written in the early 60's by a man living in Japan and was one of the few studies written before the martial arts movie genre. His chapter on the history of a group no one at that time had ever heard of called "Ninja" is worth the read for its no nonsense or romantic fairy tale view. It is also a very good primer to the martial arts including quite an interviews with Oyama Sensei and Yamaguchi Gogen Sensei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Camper Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 I stayed up researching last night. The weapon was developed as you have said on the Ryukyu islands, but quickly spread to the mainland by 1300 AD.... The ninja had a whisp of a foothold at this time, but did not come to full power until the 15th century. Most believe the ninjas did use it at one time or another... I'm just trying to find a magical themed tool here. Magic doesn't exist, but the ninja gets a pretty exagerated amount in lure, so please don't kill my vibe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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