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Hey,

I'm making a piece for my friend for hunting. This is the preliminary sketch of what he said he wanted. Probably gonna be made out of 1084. 

One question I have is how thick should I make the spine? 3/16? 1/4?

This will be the largest blade I will have done so far.

Any thoughts are welcome.

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Mike

 

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That's more of a bowie than a hunter, so I'd go with 1/4" at the spine.  And don't expect a vibrant hamon if you use 1084.  Too much manganese.  You can get a line, just not as much activity as you would with a shallow hardening steel like 1075 and so on.

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What's he hunting? Wild boar? Bear? Predetor? Bigfoot? The mothman?

If you want it 1/4" thick and you're forging it ,use 3/8" stock. You should put a distal taper in it.

Your handle looks a bit small judging by the 1 1/2" wide blade (which means the ricasso is also too small). I would suggest the blade be closer to 2" wide with a 1 1/2" ricasso. I would also bring that clip back a tad to drop more weight, but that's just me. If you want more of a chopper, keep more weight up front. 

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1/4" spine would be good.  I have to agree with Zeb on your ricasso size.  I would make it at least 1" wide.  Then make sure that your handle is the same width starting just past the guard.  Check the hand of the person you are making the knife for.  If they are of a small frame, then have them hold onto something at least an inch wide to see how they like the feel.  If its too small, then make is larger.  If not, then you are good.

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Personally, I think 1/4" thick is way too thick for anything short of a machete. Most of my Bowies end up at 5/32" to 3/16" thick at the spine. 

Zeb: Some guys like a big knife to take hunting. Usually it is in addition to a smaller skinner, the bigger blade being used to separate bones and quarter the game. I never take fewer than 3 blades into the field with me. (although I always seem to use the same one for almost everything).

On that drawing, it looks like the handle is about 1" wide, which is about right, but I think the width is too much for the blade length. 1-1/4" wide for a 7.5" long blade is a better proportion IMO. I also prefer the tip to be closer to the centerline of the blade width, (regardless of the clip length) and with less curve than what you show, These are all personal preferences. 

Try the look though. Drop that point down a bit, make the edge curve shallower and longer, and straighten out the clip a little and see if you like that any better.

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I was just joking about what he was "hunting" with it. He's probably not gonna try to stab anything to death, but I took it "literal". [Play on snare drum] :lol:

it's a little confusing in the picture because on the far left he has 1.5 written in a bracket. Is this the actual blade width? Or, just a reference? I just think with a 1.5" wide blade, his handle looks to be 1" wide or less (which is way too small for my hand). I would want at least 1 1/4" wide handle. Which in turn means the choil would need to be at least 1 1/2" prefferably 1 5/8" (ish)  just to keep the look he's got going on with that long dropped choil.

 I don't mind a quarter inch thick at the spine, so long as it's got a good distal and a tall grind. Just my 2 cents.

Edit: sorry, I meant 5/8 instead of 3/8. I wrote this at around 2 am, so I apologize for my groggy and nonsensical reply. 

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Ask two knife makers, get three opinions.....all three are equally viable.

For me, it's a matter of proportions and weight distribution. The two Bowies on the left in this photo are both 1-1/4" wide with 1" wide handles (at the guard). The one on the far left is 7" long, the Damascus one is 8 " long. Both are at or less than 3/16" thick.

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I'd start out with saying "in my humble opinion" but I've stopped having those years ago.;)  I'd say that the knife is of the size that is pretty much useless unless one is wanting to hunt hogs over dogs or get into a knife fight, you know the type of knife that just about every Boy Scout thinks that he needs to have.  If it's supposed to be a real hunting knife meant to field dress large game, or small game for that matter, a blade length of 3"-4" would work better.  I would also go to a half guard to keep my fingers off the edge of the blade while I was up inside the body cavity.

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As you can see these are all valid. Just depends on what you want. A wider handle, and more chopping capabilities, or something for more delicate work. Personally I see the advanages of both, but If I wanted to split bone I'd go with something like Z1. 

Doug, I gotta agree with you, but I'm just an east coast redneck. We feild dress a whitetail, and it's light enough to drag to the truck, the ATV, or carry without splitting bone. I realize how something like elk, or moose, are probably much different.  

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2 hours ago, Joshua States said:

Ask two knife makers, get three opinions.....all three are equally viable.

For me, it's a matter of proportions and weight distribution. The two Bowies on the left in this photo are both 1-1/4" wide with 1" wide handles (at the guard). The one on the far left is 7" long, the Damascus one is 8 " long. Both are at or less than 3/16" thick.

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How about a photo of your hunting knife?  Maybe the one you used on that elk.

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Joshua: Is this what you mean?

14 hours ago, Joshua States said:

Drop that point down a bit, make the edge curve shallower and longer, and straighten out the clip a little and see if you like that any better.

Personally, I am not a hunter, so i talked to my buddy about your points and he still wants the bowie. But I did some other sketches for smaller knives and he really likes the bottom one and might buy that one also.

I am planning to put a distal taper on it along with high grind and a false edge on the clip. Going to shoot for 3/8"-1/4" thickness at the ricasso. The ricasso I'm going to keep at at an inch wide because his hands are pretty close to mine and anything much more is getting uncomfortable. 1 1/8" might work but i think 1 1/4" is a little too much. Plus, the width of the blade is actually 1 5/16", I can't seem to be able read a ruler :).

 

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8 hours ago, Gerald Boggs said:

How about a photo of your hunting knife?  Maybe the one you used on that elk.

At the risk of hijacking, I will oblige.

Mike, please excuse the deviation from your project.

My personal hunter. The first knife I ever made back in 2006. 52100 blade,  4.5"l x 1.125"w x 5/32"t, cocobolo handle, nickel-silver fittings. Completely stock removal. Still use it to this day.  Every time I go into the field for any reason, this knife is on my hip.

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Mike Ward: All of those designs look good. I think the Bowie is much better than the original drawing, do you? Does the client? (That's what matters, not whether I like it)

The only additional thing I would suggest, is to make the ricasso slightly wider. With a dropped choil, it is easy to get the blade stuck on that choil when slicing forward. A little extra room between the choil and the guard makes it easier to remove.

 

 

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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As far as splitting the pelvis on a large animal goes I'd get a belt ax for that.  As Nessmuc would say "if you need a knife, get a knife; if you need an ax, get an ax.

Doug

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1 hour ago, Doug Lester said:

As far as splitting the pelvis on a large animal goes I'd get a belt ax for that.  As Nessmuc would say "if you need a knife, get a knife; if you need an ax, get an ax.

Doug

I agree. I am also not a fan of being"over knifed". 

Grandpa told me

"Three ways to get hurt: doing a big job with a small knife, doing a small job with a big knife or doing any job with a dull knife."

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Who mentioned splitting pelvises? 

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

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7 inch blade edge. Nice size. Can you make a photo copy of that drawing? If you can, do it, cut the shape out and lay it over the forged blade. If you get it to fit, super glue it to the blade (putting super glue on top of the paper works fine) and grind the profile to the drawing. I think you will be darn close.

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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On 1/28/2018 at 10:37 PM, Joshua States said:

At the risk of hijacking, I will oblige.

Mike, please excuse the deviation from your project.

My personal hunter. The first knife I ever made back in 2006. 52100 blade,  4.5"l x 1.125"w x 5/32"t, cocobolo handle, nickel-silver fittings. Completely stock removal. Still use it to this day.  Every time I go into the field for any reason, this knife is on my hip.

My Hunter full shot.jpg

Mike Ward: All of those designs look good. I think the Bowie is much better than the original drawing, do you? Does the client? (That's what matters, not whether I like it)

The only additional thing I would suggest, is to make the ricasso slightly wider. With a dropped choil, it is easy to get the blade stuck on that choil when slicing forward. A little extra room between the choil and the guard makes it easier to remove.

 

 

It's good to see what a user and maker designs.

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3 hours ago, Gerald Boggs said:

It's good to see what a user and maker designs.

Yes, that is true. However, this was not my design. I made this knife in a private lesson with MS Tim Hancock and he gave me one of his templates to work from. If I ever get around to making myself a knife specifically for skinning & cleaning game, it will probably be smaller than this. I still like to carry this for a general all-around work knife, and it certainly works for cleaning game.

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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42 minutes ago, Gerald Boggs said:

If you wait too long, life will go by.

Tempus fugit my friend, tempus fugit. Please don't take this too harshly, but how's that ABANA grill coming along? 

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. Yes we all have those things that we plan to get to "someday". Unfortunately, there's only 7 days in a week and none of them are named "Someday". The truth is, every time I make one that I think I will keep, somebody offers to buy it and I cave.

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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On 2/11/2018 at 8:18 PM, Joshua States said:

Tempus fugit my friend, tempus fugit. Please don't take this too harshly, but how's that ABANA grill coming along? 

Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

This might be the year.

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