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Alright I’ve got an idea, might be ridiculous.    I’ve been wanting a dogs head hammer for a while. And  not being able to afford to buy one, and not having the tools to make one I’m trying to find a solution. My idea is to get block of steel for a hammer maybe 4140? Drawing up an idea, sending it to a water jet cutting place to cut out the basic shape and hole for the handle. Then I would heat treat it myself.

apparently New Jersey steel baron has a waterjet service now, and there very reasonable when it come s to pricing, That is the best choice for waterjet I think.   Now I don’t know the hourly pricing on waterjet cutting stuff, but I think it would be slightly less expensive than getting one custom made. Again I have absolutely no understanding of waterjet or the cost.   Totally crazy idea?  Let me know what you think. 

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Not sure a waterjet can cut that deep Conner.  You could get the block and drill and file, but's a lot of work..  Probably cheaper in the end to just buy the hammer from a supply house or have one made by someone with the equipment.

 

.02 cents

 

random google fu links:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/607993314/japanese-style-dogs-head-hammer

https://www.centaurforge.com/Hilltop-Forge-25-lbs-Dog-Head-Hammer-with-Ash-Handle/productinfo/HT2.5DHH/

https://usaknifemaker.com/doghead-hammer-by-nathan-robertson-2-lbs.html

https://hammersource.com/big-blu-7-lb-dogface-hammer/

https://www.gstongs.com/hammers.html    <-- good stuff

more out there

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Best way to find out if they can do it is to call them and ask if they can do it ;).

 

Asking doesn't cost a nickel 

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A big enough water jet could cut it, but it will be a relatively slow cut.  I would think it would be cheaper to get a machine shop to mill out the hole.

 

There is probably a guy with a mill in his garage within a few miles of you that would help you out just because you show interest in metalworking.

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4 minutes ago, Brian Dougherty said:

A big enough water jet could cut it, but it will be a relatively slow cut.  I would think it would be cheaper to get a machine shop to mill out the hole.

 

This^.  I have had 9" thick tool steel castings waterjet before, so it can definitely be done, but if you choose a machinable steel, that is definitely the cheaper way to go.  It may be best to just call out the material and let a machine shop supply their own.  Say something like "4140 or similar", and "2 inch diameter, +/- 0.25 inch" (or whatever you are happy with).  If you put a good note on the drawing explaining form, fit, and function, they may have a great piece of steel laying around that would save money that you would otherwise miss out on.  

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That’s a great idea. Basically just a email a local machine shop and ask if they have a chunk of a specific steel laying around and if they can mill it into the shape I want?  Obviously with a detailed drawing of it, measurements and it’s purpose. 

One of my neighbors works for some sort of steel company, I don’t know if it’s a machine shop or a steel manufacturer. They do a lot with tool steel, that’s all I know. I don’t know if he’s the right person to ask.  

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4 minutes ago, Conner Michaux said:

I don’t know if he’s the right person to ask

 

Won't know till you ask :)

 

 

Also, you could kind of cheat and find a big sledge or hammer of the right shape and cut off the end behind the eye.   I've found lots of cool old tools at swap meets and yard sales and the like.  Just a thought.

 

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Shouldn't really even be difficult to mill a hammer head. So that means it shouldn't be too expensive.

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https://usaknifemaker.com/doghead-hammer-by-nathan-robertson-2-lbs.html

 

Bruno linked this one, it’s about the shape I’m looking for,  The hard part is finding a mill to cut it out. 

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Cut one head off of a 2 headed hammer!? With the ole' wiz wheel. 

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1 hour ago, Conner Michaux said:

The hard part is finding a mill to cut it out. 

 

Some auto places have machines.  My local vw place bored out the lower roller for my mill, but charged $80 per hour.   took 2 hours.  Good work though.

Maybe some schools/colleges still have machine shops?

 

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS763US763&ei=QHWuXYe9HpHB7gLk05mwCw&q=middleton+id+machine+shop&oq=Middleton+ID+machine&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.33i160l3.1578.8398..10064...0.2..1.1472.3612.0j3j2j0j1j0j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i67j0j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j0i8i13i30.7VMEPt_bkNQ

 

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS763US763&ei=S3WuXdjdK_XO0PEPt66ikAg&q=middleton+id+machine+shop+college&oq=middleton+id+machine+shop+colle&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.33i160l3.44122.53541..55129...1.0..0.577.2179.0j2j1j2j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......33i299j33i22i29i30.7SILPyhGvcc

 

 

I used to tear down a lot of mobile homes,   some of the older ones had 1.5 to 2 inch square axles.   should be a good enough steel for a hammer,  possible 1045,  doubt it's spring.  Unknown.   Either way,   might find one at a scrap yard,  or mobile transport type of place if they exist around you.    They usually have axles sitting around.  Cut off a piece the right size,  and if you have drill press, you can probably drill a 3/4 inch hole in it,  unless you can spend the money on a bigger bit.   My one inch cost $60.     But you can drill a series of smaller holes, and chisel or file them out to get to the right size.    I've also seen a square cutting drift, that you can make at home that people have used to cut square holes out of a round hole.  I forget the right term.   

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n1r5XfVkyk

 

You do have a forge ?

 

If so, drilling a starter hole in the stock then making a drift and then drifting, "might" not be too much work with a helping hand.  Otherwise drilling a lot of small holes in a square pattern then chisel and filing might be the cheapest way to go, assuming you have the steel.

 

One cat, many skinning methods.

 

 

There is a lot one can do with a good grinder and a drill press.  Or a File and a hammer, or a torch and a welder, or a lot of time and a bigger hammer.        A good grinder could cut down an old sledge hammer head to size with a bit of work.   I find lots of old hammer heads in my neck of the woods at swap meets.

 

Whatever you decide, I hope it works out for you.

 

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10 hours ago, Conner Michaux said:

https://usaknifemaker.com/doghead-hammer-by-nathan-robertson-2-lbs.html

 

Bruno linked this one, it’s about the shape I’m looking for,  The hard part is finding a mill to cut it out. 

Your looking for one in the 2 lb range then?

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12 hours ago, Conner Michaux said:

not having the tools to make one

You don't have a drill and hacksaw?

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How about this one Conner? B)

 

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The eye isn't perfect because my tooling started to break on me. I made a video I will edit later so you can see how It was made.

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I took the advise Alan gave me and tapered it before punching the eye which created the nice angle for the handle.

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That’s pretty much exactly what I’m looking for :D    

 

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Well I made it this morning for you so it will be in the package with the rest of the stuff I'm sending ya

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Dude I can’t thank you enough for all the help. :lol:

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Rock on Jeremy!

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It was a perfect opportunity to work on my hammer making venture and practice hammer control with the new power hammer. I'm working on uploading the video now.

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You're a true gentleman Jeremy :) 

 

Conner, Some day you'll see a young person struggling to get started in something, and you'll be in a position to help.  When that day comes, you'll know what to do.

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This is what the hammer started as. It is 2 inch by 4 inch 1 ton truck axle. It might actually be 1 7/8 inch diameter but either way the end weight is just shy of 3 lbs. I think I had a total of 2 1/2 hrs of forge time into it. And that includes having to fix my tooling!

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Hell of a nice thing to do, Jeremy! 

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It took FOREVER to upload but here is the video.

 

 

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