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Joshua States

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I started a new Damascus dagger project using low-layer count with thick layers of 1095 and 15N20. This is an end grain pattern, so I finished forging the billet, annealed it, and did my typical accordion cut.

 

V2 Accordion cut.jpg

 

Some folks don' like the accordion cut method because it "wastes too much steel". I like the accordion cut because there is no visible seam between the pattern like you get with tiles. In the accordion cut, the pattern is continuous through the entire blade,

 

In this particular billet, I cut it as close to a 45/45/90 right triangle as I could. You can see the wedges stacked in the side of the photo above. Here is the pile of wedges. Remember, the pattern is on the two faces that form the 90 degree angle. It is not on the side that forms the hypotenuse. 

 

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Normally, I take this stack and reweld it back into another bar, but this time I took the wedges and arranged them into a square instead. This will put the pattern on 4 sides of the resultant piece of steel.

 

V2 Square welds.jpg

 

These were welded in the squaring dies and rough forged into shape for the guard and pommel. The main bar was rough forged into a dagger shape and a small piece removed for the butt cap under the pommel.

 

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This looks exciting, but I feel like I'm having a tough time visualizing what's going on here - Is the remaining accordion going to form a workpiece, is it only the off-cuts that are getting used here, or is it both?

 

Either way, I'm excited to see where this goes next!

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The primary bar was formed into the dagger blade and a small piece was taken off of it for the butt cap. The two squares formed with the off cuts became the pieces forming the pommel and the guard.

Accordion cut-noted.jpg

 

Square welds - noted.jpg

 

Rough forgings - noted.jpg

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Josh

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9 hours ago, Joshua States said:

The primary bar was formed into the dagger blade and a small piece was taken off of it for the butt cap. The two squares formed with the off cuts became the pieces forming the pommel and the guard.

 

Oh that makes far more sense now! Thanks for the explanation. The labeled pictures definitely made things clearer as well. Looking forward to seeing this fully progress!

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Today I decided to work on the design drawing. I have a rough idea in my head about how this thing will look, but I need to create the drawing to continue.

I came up with this and posted it to FB to see what reactions I could get.

 

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This lead to some awesome feedback from several smiths whose work I admire. I was lucky enough to garner some attention from none other than Peter Johnsson!

He gave out some wonderful insight and critique. Alas, it's back to the drawing board again......

 

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The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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Yes!! Sometimes its magic. I've had a notion to make a short sword using his geometric system. Been studying his articles but dont have the equipment to heat treat a  large sword.  Looking forward to see your progress.

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It never occurred to me to use Peter's geometric system on a dagger. I don't know why, because it can fix the biggest problem in making quillon daggers, i.e. figuring out the size of the pommel.  Nice!

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13 hours ago, Joshua States said:

He gave out some wonderful insight and critique. Alas, it's back to the drawing board again......

 

Sounds vaguely familiar.......... ;) Lol

 

Good luck with this one!  I'm feeling another dagger in my near future and I'll be following along pretty closely.

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3 hours ago, Alan Longmire said:

because it can fix the biggest problem in making quillon daggers, i.e. figuring out the size of the pommel.

I used it on a dagger once before in that 6 blades WIP thread. You can see part of the drawing on page 3 about halfway down. The guard & handle were designed, redesigned, and eventually get made completely differently than either of the two drawings. 

 

Handle drawing 2.jpg

 

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“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

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Josh

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1 hour ago, Alan Longmire said:

 

But, see, I didn't remember that. :lol:

Because I never mentioned it here. I did mention it on another forum and got lots of questions from apprentices but nada from the more experienced makers. The one guy on that forum who is very familiar with the method (the guy with all those cool spectrographs and stuff) didn't even comment. He did respond to me in PMs and was pretty standoffish about the whole concept. Whatever. I think it's a great design tool and after further discussion with Peter, I am going to attempt to learn how to use it to the fullest. For anyone interested in the process, I recommend you purchase Peter's book.

 

Here is one vendor: https://shop.histofakt.de/product_info.php?products_id=64

 

“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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