Paul Checa 9 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 So I'm trying to make a raindrop Damascus cleaver but here's the kicker... I only have 2 inch wide steel. And my cleaver has to be 4 inches wide by 8 inches long. So my question is. Should I press the Damascus layers wide wise so I can reach teh 4 inches and have enough layers to reach the 8 inch long goal. Or can I make 2 Damascus layer 8 inch long billets and forge weld them side by side and then punch in the raindrop patten. If I widen instead of lengthen will it affect the pattern? Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites
Alan Longmire 3,881 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 For raindrop, any forging you do after you've levelled out the holes will stretch the pattern in the direction of forging. This can be good or bad, depending on what you want to see. Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Checa 9 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 So... If I stretch before then we're good right? It won't look weird if I drill the holes on the wide stretch. I think that's my best bet. What would you do? And would you use high layer or lower layer Damascus? What looks nicer? Link to post Share on other sites
Alan Longmire 3,881 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Raindrop looks good with a medium-high layer count to me. Somewhere around 200-250. And yes, I'd forge it wide, then drill, then flatten uniformly. If you look at the very tip and the bevels of this you can see the pattern got stretched when I forged after setting the pattern. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua States 2,566 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 That is a really nice looking raindrop Alan. Typically, they are more random. It looks like you took some time and deliberately laid out a neat geometry. 1 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Checa 9 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, Alan Longmire said: Raindrop looks good with a medium-high layer count to me. Somewhere around 200-250. And yes, I'd forge it wide, then drill, then flatten uniformly. If you look at the very tip and the bevels of this you can see the pattern got stretched when I forged after setting the pattern. Wow! Awesome. So Im gonna do that hahaha Link to post Share on other sites
Alan Longmire 3,881 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Joshua States said: That is a really nice looking raindrop Alan. Typically, they are more random. It looks like you took some time and deliberately laid out a neat geometry. That is thanks to my fellow smith Matt Walker's raindrop dies. He laid out and drilled the dies, which make it totally repeatable. Works the opposite of normal raindrop in that the press raises bumps which you then grind off, rather than you drilling holes and forging flat. Since I don't have a press and he does, when I need to do something like that I go bug him. It helps that he's a mechanical whiz. That blade was welded up and forged to rough size and shape as a straight laminate billet about 7/16" thick, then pressed in the raindrop dies so that the thin part was a fat 1/4". Grind off the bumps, forge to final shape, and there you go. That's why you see the straight laminate at the edge. Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Checa 9 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 Amazing! I love to see a good mind at work to make things differently. Hat off to both of you Link to post Share on other sites
Shane Atwood 7 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 9/10/2021 at 3:38 PM, Alan Longmire said: That is thanks to my fellow smith Matt Walker's raindrop dies. He laid out and drilled the dies, which make it totally repeatable. Works the opposite of normal raindrop in that the press raises bumps which you then grind off, rather than you drilling holes and forging flat. Since I don't have a press and he does, when I need to do something like that I go bug him. It helps that he's a mechanical whiz. That blade was welded up and forged to rough size and shape as a straight laminate billet about 7/16" thick, then pressed in the raindrop dies so that the thin part was a fat 1/4". Grind off the bumps, forge to final shape, and there you go. That's why you see the straight laminate at the edge. Alan, that is super cool! Nice looking blade! I might have to make a set of dies like this for my press. Do you know about how deep the holes are drilled in the dies? Link to post Share on other sites
Alan Longmire 3,881 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 IIRC about half an inch, with the edges cleaned up with a die grinder. I haven't seen them for a while. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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