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Seems like it's about time to start this discussion up.  @Alan Longmire, can we get a new subforum setup?

 

I'll start out with a couple options.

 

1.  Bladesmithing related shop tools.  Doesnt have to be a blade per se, but something useful in the creation of a blade or sheath.

 

2.  Small seax.  I've never made one, this would be a good excuse to do it.

 

Over the next week or so, add your options below and then we can put it together into a poll to vote on.

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I like the tools idea.  Calipers, dividers, kiradashi, scribes and punches.

 

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"The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else."

 

I said that.

 

If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly.

- - -G. K. Chesterton

 

So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy.

 

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I have another idea for the mix.  Pocket tools.  Those little screwdriver leverage tool bottle opener things.

 

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"The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else."

 

I said that.

 

If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly.

- - -G. K. Chesterton

 

So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy.

 

Grant Sarver

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On 1/15/2022 at 6:49 PM, Alex Middleton said:

@Alan Longmire, can we get a new subforum setup?

 

Yes indeed!

 

I like the tools idea too.  I also haven't made a seax in a few years, so there's that.  Bring on the ideas, y'all!

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I have been itching to make wrought iron Dividers, Tomahawk or a Puuko.  How about a Wrought Iron challenge with high carbon blade edge 

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It would give me a reason to start hunting for some wrought.  

Standing in line to see the new Scream movie with my wife and daughter.  Got me to thinking that we could also do a Hollywood blade recreation.

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On 1/17/2022 at 1:28 PM, Doug Webster said:

How about a Wrought Iron challenge with high carbon blade edge

How about a San Mai anything? blade, tool, widget, whatever. Any two materials, one for the jacket and another for the core.

Get some folks to try forge welding.

 

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I for one am fine with this and I kinda like it. Whether it be cutting tool or whatever.

Gary LT

 

"I Never Met A Knife I Didn't Like", (Will Rogers)

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San mai or kobuse (hot dog in a bun) construction sounds good.  Or just steeled wrought iron or mild steel.  For instance, dividers are good, but must have high carbon points.  Kiridashi are good, but must have a high carbon edge and low carbon body.  That sort of thing?  

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59 minutes ago, Alan Longmire said:

Kiridashi

Or a leather working knife, wood carving tool, small Sen scraper, hot chisel, bottle opener, dividers, ruler, you get the idea

 

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The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

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3 hours ago, Alan Longmire said:

San mai or kobuse (hot dog in a bun) construction sounds good.  Or just steeled wrought iron or mild steel.  For instance, dividers are good, but must have high carbon points.  Kiridashi are good, but must have a high carbon edge and low carbon body.  That sort of thing?

Yep, I like it.  I've got some nasty wrought from a barge wreck.  It spent nearly 100 years soaking in salt water.

 

Geoff

"The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else."

 

I said that.

 

If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly.

- - -G. K. Chesterton

 

So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy.

 

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People might have trouble finding decent wrought to work with, so I wouldn't limit the materials.

 

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The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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Bummed I wasn't able to deliver on the last KITH.  Hope to make it up on the next.   

I like the tool idea.   How about we make a set of bladesmithing tongs?  Probably the most used tool we all use.

Maybe either set a certain design, like box jaws/pickers/punch holders or something, or whatever is the smith's favorite.   I've had success making some out of leaf spring, so I wouldn't limit it to mild steel.   Maybe a smallish hammer or a guillotine instead?

 

If ya'll wanna stick to blades.   I'd be down for a midsize hatchet or tomahawk.  Otherwise,  I really liked the design on this page:

 

 

I've wanted to try that for a while...

 

I like the idea of a sen scraper.   A very under utilized tool I think.   Always trying to get away

from reliance on motors.

 

But if ya'll really want to get crazy.  Lets make a File.  Forged and hand cut.  Talk about fun, huh?

 

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But if ya'll really want to get crazy.  Lets make a File.  Forged and hand cut.  Talk about fun, huh?

My mentor once made a serrated bread knife in Damasteel......what "fun"

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So far I think I'm partial to the tools idea, but I'm always down for most anything, especially forge-welding practice (goodness knows I could use it, lol). :)
What about doing something like a set of 2-4 tools with a forge weld component? Maybe give a theme to the tool set?

Something like a draw-knife, marking knife, and dividers or a wood carving hatchet and a bowl gouge for wood carving; a leather knife, small hand plane, and a punch or two for leather working; or any such tool combination/theme.  Still give useful tools but with the added complexity of needing a high carbon edge that blacksmith/bladesmithing hot-work tools may not require, and having to think about what set of tools you might appreciate.  It might also add some flexibility to the welds you're able to successfully complete and give the option to showcase a variety of them.

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I'm a fan of the idea of "welded on cutting edge" as a criteria because the ability to go in a lot of directions from a common restriction was fun to see play out last year. It might be too narrow, but requiring an asymmetric weld (like you would for a chisel, marking knife, hewing axe, etc.) could be interesting as it is something that you don't tend to see as much, especially among knife makers (at least with double bevel knives) and could be a way to try a somewhat rarer technique.

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Trying to wrap my head around all of the ideas that have been posted.  So far I'm at:

 

1. Small seax.

2. Shop tools.  Unrestricted, but must be related to making blades/sheaths.

3. Unrestricted blade, San-mai/kobuse construction.

4. Unrestricted blade, must use wrought iron in construction. 

5. Hatchet/tomahawk. 

 

Please sound off if I missed anything that you wanted.  I'll post an actual poll in a day or two.

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I just got a wacky idea. The double draw KITH.

Make a blade for a 3-4" hunter/skinner. Finish ground and HT completed. (We can even do the forge welded component idea)

1st drawing- See who you send it to. They make the hilt/handle.

2nd drawing-See who you send the finished piece to.

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“So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.”

The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing.  

 

Josh

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg

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