Dick Sexstone Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 That is what I was wondering….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 If you look at the historical pieces this is based on, they used multiple small pieces as well, and for the same reason. It was hard to get large sheets of bronze before the invention of the rolling mill! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 Seriously. This is the scrap I have left from that 6x12 inch sheet. How did they do it way back when? 1 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Sexstone Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 There is a lot left …and probably more akin to what they had to begin with back then…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 hours ago, Joshua States said: How did they do it way back when? Cast an ingot as thin as you can, hammer it to the required thickness. I've seen Wallace Gusler do it with brass by pouring it onto a marble slab. I bet Jeroen has a better way, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 I suppose you could make a clay mold and a clay crucible. Pour a sheet-like object using that tech. I don't think they had polished marble in the 6th C though...... “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 Maybe I'll try melting this and casting an ingot...... 1 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeroen Zuiderwijk Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 11 hours ago, Joshua States said: I suppose you could make a clay mold and a clay crucible. Pour a sheet-like object using that tech. I don't think they had polished marble in the 6th C though...... It's much harder then it sounds, particularly when you are going to make crucibles and moulds from clay. Forging iron is so much easier. Also brass is a tricky one to melt, without turning it into sticky goo. And don't breath in the fumes, zinc fumes are nasty. It is good fun though. 1 Jeroen Zuiderwijk Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/barbarianmetalworking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 9 hours ago, Jeroen Zuiderwijk said: It's much harder then it sounds, particularly Nobody said it was easy! “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeroen Zuiderwijk Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 15 hours ago, Joshua States said: Nobody said it was easy! Just tempering expectations The most fun years I had casting were the first years just messing about. I didn't get many good results yet. But just playing around trying to melt and cast stuff was great. When you don't expect anything, any result is awesome. When you expect good results, you just get very frustrated at all the failures 2 Jeroen Zuiderwijk Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/barbarianmetalworking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter-Paul Derks Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I've cold forged bronze sheet down thinner before I had my rolling mill, It is a lot of work but it can be done. I imagine thin sheets would be bundled up and forged down together similar to how gold leaf is still made. I would think you'd be surprised at the skill and technology of the metal casters in the ''dark age'' http://mefecit.nl/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeroen Zuiderwijk Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 21 hours ago, Pieter-Paul Derks said: I've cold forged bronze sheet down thinner before I had my rolling mill, It is a lot of work but it can be done. I imagine thin sheets would be bundled up and forged down together similar to how gold leaf is still made. I would think you'd be surprised at the skill and technology of the metal casters in the ''dark age'' Not so much, but that's because I'm well aware of what they could do Edited January 26 by Jeroen Zuiderwijk 1 Jeroen Zuiderwijk Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/barbarianmetalworking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Incidentally, if you ever watch Antiques Roadshow and see the appraisers looking at the brass drawer pull backplates (the "brasses," as they call them) on 17th and 18th century furniture, They're looking for evidence of cast-and-forged rather than rolled plate. Hammer marks, porosity, uneven thickness, etc. The better makers did try to file the brasses flat, and sometimes the only evidence is file marks on the back side, or a visibly crystalline texture. There is almost always a tiny bit of porosity, often hard to find. If it's uniformly smooth and even, it's rolled, and thus a later replacement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 Just a quick update, and a bit of bragging. I entered this seax into the maker’s competition at the OKG show this weekend. I entered it in Best Fighter. Much to my surprise, it won! Not only did it win Best Fighter, it also won Best Forged Blade. my apologies to the admin team on file size, I’m still in OKC. I will replace the photo with a smaller version once I get home 8 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Congratulations! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Schmalhofer Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 21 hours ago, Alan Longmire said: Congratulations! +1. Well deserved! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 Alan, did you resize the image for me? “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles dP Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Congrats Joshua 1 "The way we win matters" (Ender Wiggins) Orson Scott Card Nos, qui libertate donati sumus, nes cimus quid constet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Sexstone Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Nice Joshua…… congrats …. and maybe it sold also? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Dick Sexstone said: Nice Joshua…… congrats …. and maybe it sold also? It did not sell. Sales at this show were good for folks in the $100-$200 range. Hopefully, the show and the competition winners get in the magazines and generate some interest. “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 23 hours ago, Joshua States said: Alan, did you resize the image for me? Nope, the forum does that. Automatic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 I just got the pro-pics back from Philip Schrei Photography. He did an awesome job. 4 “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joël Mercier Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Congrats! A real beauty! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Pro pics are great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Toneguzzo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Congratulations Josh. Well deserved. Beautiful work. 1 "Old dogs care about you even when you make mistakes" - Tom HALL - Old Dogs, Children and Watermelon wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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