Geoff Keyes Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I love ironwood and I hate it. I had a handle slab just about finished and ready to glue up and it split in half, lengthwise. Sigh g 4 "The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else." I said that. If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly. - - -G. K. Chesterton So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy. Grant Sarver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Keyes Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 This, this is what I hate about ironwood. Well, that and the smell, and the way it eats up tools. "The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else." I said that. If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly. - - -G. K. Chesterton So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy. Grant Sarver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoy's Forge Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 It always happens after your heavily invested in time , forcing you to start over. www.hoyfamily.net Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.Lu 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Mr 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ouellette Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I had a piece of end grain wood do something similar to me when I was doing the final fit up. The back half of the handle came off in my hands just holding it. Bob O "When I raise my flashing sword, and my hand takes hold on judgment, I will take vengeance upon mine enemies, and I will repay those who haze me. Oh, Lord, raise me to Thy right hand and count me among Thy saints." My Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Iron wood, I have a question. There are trees that grow in the woods where I hunt in NY (and also in my back lot here) that while small, have a look like they are made of muscle and have a thin gray bark tightly stretched over them - all lumpy and such. One of my hunting buddies called them ironwood but I always doubted that's what they really were. Then later I was giving one of my older neighbors a tour of my property and he commented that I had buttonwood trees and said they were used locally to make buttons from as the wood is hard and tough. Another friend has an app on her phone that will identify various flora if you provide a picture, such as leaves or buds. Her app says it is officially American hornbeam and one of its common nicknames is ironwood and one of its common uses is tool handles as it is so tough. I made a hiking staff from one and it is certainly hard stuff, it is also difficult to drill with the grain as the fibers clog the flutes quickly. I was working the wood while it was green which may have been part of the problem. It is very light in color nearing white and the grain is fine and nondescript. So is the ironwood that is mentioned here frequently and is used for knife scales and handles the same stuff? The stuff I worked with does not look like the stuff in Geoff's pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Keyes Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 What I have been working with is Desert Ironwood, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olneya Olneya tesota which is a member of the legume family. Also called palo fierro. It does not grow anywhere outside the Sonora Desert of California, Arizona, and Mexico. It's a slow grower, and very hard. It's always full of silicates and it just eats up tools. As far as I know it's protected now, most of what I have was collected in the '60 and I bought it from the nephew of the guy who got it. There are lots of hardwoods that are called ironwood. In my part of the world there is the Ocean Spray (Holodiscus discolor). "Use by People: The wood, known as “Ironwood” in English, was used for many tools and utensils by natives. It was made even harder by heating it over a fire and polishing it with horsetail stems. It was used for roasting tongs “because it won’t burn,” for digging sticks, fishing hooks, needles, canoe paddles, bows, and spear, harpoon, and arrow shafts, Oceanspray pegs were used in construction, when nails were not readily available." I have never worked in hornbeam, but I've read that it's tough and hard and good for handles. What does it look like (the wood, not the tree)? Desert Ironwood was used to make bearings for steam engines. They would form a pillow block and then let the shaft burnish it's way in. The wood hardly rots at all and is so heavy that it sinks in water. Geoff "The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else." I said that. If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly. - - -G. K. Chesterton So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy. Grant Sarver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Longmire Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, Geoff Keyes said: What does it look like (the wood, not the tree)? Looks like beech, but with even less figure. Creamy white with very fine stippling, not as white as holly, not as yellow as boxwood. Grain barely visible. I have some that's been curing for the last 15 years, I may try it for tool handles next time I need to make any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua States Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Desert ironwood is protected in the US, but not in Mexico. Most of the stuff you can buy is imported from south of the border. Around here, it's cheap. I got precut handle blocks, 5x2x1.5 for about $12 each the last time I bought some. It's beautiful when polished and the burls are mesmerizing. “So I'm lightin' out for the territory, ahead of the scared and the weak and the mean spirited, because Aunt Sally is fixin’ to adopt me and civilize me, and I can't stand it. I've been there before.” The only bad experience is the one from which you learn nothing. Josh http://www.dosgatosdesignsllc.com/#! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdJMFMqnbLYqv965xd64vYg J.States Bladesmith | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/dos.gatos.71 https://www.etsy.com/shop/JStatesBladesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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