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I just received my first commission for a cleaver.  This is for utilitarian purposes for a taco guy.  He will be chopping meat and vegetables.  His complaint about store bought cleavers is they are too light and not sharp enough.  I am thinking 80CRV2 1/4" thick with black micarta scales.  Any design critiques are welcome.   Thanks!

 

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Aside from the real meat cleaver in my kitchen, which I use for all kinds of heavy chopping, I prefer thin stock for veggie knives 0.100 to 0.0625. IMG_20230608_160000440 (Medium).jpg

 

The left hand one is a beast.  0.125, it's very forward heavy, even with the copper bolsters.  It will chop through the shoulder bone of a pork roast and has never taken any edge damage.  The right hand one is 0.0625 thick and is just about right, I think.  Sharpness is a matter of geometry, edge holding is a matter of hardness.  The commercial veggie cleavers are soft and the geometry is bad.  I would take one of the knives he doesn't like and resharpen it and see if that solves part of the problem.

IMHO, .250 stock a way too heavy, particularly for a tool that someone is going to be using all day, every day.

 

Geoff

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"The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else."

 

I said that.

 

If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly.

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So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy.

 

Grant Sarver

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24 minutes ago, Geoff Keyes said:


IMHO, .250 stock a way too heavy, particularly for a tool that someone is going to be using all day, every day.

 

Geoff

Thanks for the input, I have never really used a cleaver so this is very helpful.  I will target the .125 thickness since his main complaint was they weren't heavy enough. 

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I believe what your costumer is asking is more the Chinese cleaver type, which is similar to a Nakiri, but with a wider blade. A traditional western cleaver is made for chopping bones, tendons, etc. Heavy butcher work...not good at all on fine work and vegetables.

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4 hours ago, Alan Longmire said:

You will also want a slight curve to the edge.  True straight won't chop well.  Look at Geoff's. 

Thanks, I will add that.

4 hours ago, Joël Mercier said:

I believe what your costumer is asking is more the Chinese cleaver type, which is similar to a Nakiri, but with a wider blade. A traditional western cleaver is made for chopping bones, tendons, etc. Heavy butcher work...not good at all on fine work and vegetables.

I am not familiar with those, but I will look into that, thank you. 

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I have one of these, and it's not even in the block, I never use it.  It's a bit shorter than what I showed and nearly 3/8ths thick with an ax edge.  Not the thing for veggies.

 



Wusthof Classic Meat Cleaver - Forged, 6" | Cutlery and More

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"The worst day smithing is better than the best day working for someone else."

 

I said that.

 

If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly.

- - -G. K. Chesterton

 

So, just for the record: the fact that it does work still should not be taken as definitive proof that you are not crazy.

 

Grant Sarver

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